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You don't have to be a citizen of a country to commit treason against that country..

I believe you do.

Taking as given that a country actually has an offence named "treason", I don't see how. (Collins dictionary and COD9 don't seem to agree with me, though: they've betrayed me!) If can't think of an example, so let's say Guy Fawkes had had an accomplice of foreign nationality, would the accomplice have had to have been charged with some other offence?
There was the De Valera case, of course: I don't know if treason was what he was charged with, but he did try a defence based on US citizenship, and it didn't work. (No, this is probably a bad example, even if I knew about it properly.)
Mike.
I believe you do.

Taking as given that a country actually has an offence named "treason", I don't see how. (Collins dictionary and COD9 ... US citizenship, and it didn't work. (No, this is probably a bad example, even if I knew about it properly.)

There is a very interesting web page about treason and traitors at:

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Treason
I found it surprisingly informative.

Christopher ('CJ')
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Whose enemy? Hicks is not a US citizen.

"Agreed", to all of the above. But in a legally-defined war, whether you can be regarded as "aiding the enemy", or indeed be an "enemy combatant", doesn't depend on your citizenship;

Yeah; working from logical parsing rather than any knowledge of international law, maybe "aiding the enemy" simply means "aiding the side we're fighting against." Now, the law of land warfare clearly gives you extensive protections if you are aiding our enemy as a properly uniformed member of his properly constituted military force. And the laws protecting civilians would, I'd imagine, not apply to civilian citizens of the enemy nation, to the extent that their aid has been purely civilian in nature, like paying taxes or fighting fires.
Would I be right in guessing that a Swiss or Swedish citizen, not in uniform, providing combat or combat support or even combat service support assistance to the German army during World War II could have been charged with 'aiding the enemy.' The situation is particularly fraught for those providing assistance to al-Quaida: it not being a State, you cannot be a civilian citizen of it, nor can you enlist in its armed forces since it is not entitled to make war. (Is that last clause accurate? What do you have to do, as a non-State, to gain belligerent status, such as that which was accorded the Confederate forces in the American Civil War?)
Gary Williams
Please try to get your facts straight, Franke, when criticizingthe US. It has done some bad things along with the good things,something I don't remember you ever giving the government there credit for.

As it is, the second sentence above states that Franke has not given credit to the government for the bad things it's done. He has.

Thus, the sentence should be: "It has done some good things along with the bad, something I don't remember you ever giving the government there credit for."
Maria Conlon
After all, all he did was string together a lot of old, well-known quotations. (H. L. Mencken, on Shakespeare)
Like you helped the Vietnamese get independence from the French? The US is not always on the right side.

Yes, I know we are. It is because of us that the world got to experience "Me So Horny". Think about it! If WE didn't free the gooks from the frogs, imagine how boring and blah rap would be today! There would be no Eminem, Missy Elliott, or Ludacris if we did not fight the Viet Namn War!
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Let me think. Oh yeah, FDR was running the US government during much of the 40s, Truman later. Real idiots, uh-huh. I could almost agree with you about Ike though.

But, you're forgetting, Truman dropped the Bombs Over Baghdad! Which was really only good because of the song! Also, FRD was a retart!
Not true of the Socialists back in the 30s the 40s, if you remember how popular FDR's programs were.

Wehhhrrd! FRD was da bomb diggity!
Riggs:
It has done some bad things along with the good things,

"some" good things? MOSTLY good thangs. If not for America, there would be no Michael Jackson and no ghettoness and a slew of other coolness! I have already described such American coolness at great lengths in a past post. I may have to dig it up! If not for America, there would be no Sigourney Weaver!
Maria Conlon wrote on 03 Aug 2004:

Yes, Charles is going a bit comma-crazy these days, ain't he.

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I believe you do.

Taking as given that a country actually has an offence named "treason", I don't see how. (Collins dictionary and COD9 ... US citizenship, and it didn't work. (No, this is probably a bad example, even if I knew about it properly.)

It wasn't, and he didn't. The British refrained from executing him after the 1916 rising because he was a dual citizen, having been born in New York, and they preferred to avoid complications with the US. Those who were executed were shot after drumhead court-martials as persons taken in arms during the course of a rebellion; they were not charged with or tried for any criminal offence.
To be guilty of treason, a person must owe allegience. That includes the following groups:
British citizens, wherever they may be.
Friendly aliens within the realm.
Friendly aliens outside the realm if ordinarily resident within it and only temporarily absent, or if in posession of a British passport or travel document.
Enemy aliens within the realm by express or implied licence of the crown, ie all except combatants and prisoners of war.

This is the British law as settled in Joyce's case (1946). I suspect it would be the same in the US, since the definition of treason in the constitution is taken from the Treason Act 1351, which is still the applicable law here.

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