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In the "have + object + verb form" construction, the verb "Have" can be followed by object + infinitive (without to) or object + ing. And it's also true with the verbs like "hear, see, watch..."

Then, is this pattern also applicable to the verbs like "make" and "let"? For example:

a) I let them talking...
b) That makes us going through....

Instead of

c) I let them talk....
d) That makes us go through...

Or is this impossible? Ungrammartical?

To me, "make/let/have + object + ing" form looks okay when a proper context is given.

Thanks in advance.

Jay from ROK
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Well, it was a good try, but no, "make" and "let" followed by object and "ing" is not grammatical.

Emotion: sad

CJ
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Hello CJ

I feel the construct of 'make something -ing' is possible if the -ing is an adjective rather than a present participle.
(EX) There was no clear storyline, which made the movie boring.
(EX) His excellent performance made him deserving of the award.

paco
Yes, that's right. I was responding from the point of view of the original example, contrasting "makes us going through" (clearly ungrammatical) with "makes us go through".

Your examples have what I would call "BE-deletion" (which creates the object complement), i.e., "..., which made the movie BE boring". Here, we should note that it is not "BEING-deletion", i.e., the underlying structure would not be "..., which made the movie BEING boring".

Note, "SEEM" would not be deleted in the same situation: "which made the movie seem boring". Here again the verb which rightly "goes with" causative "make" must not be the gerund form.

CJ
CJ

Thank you for the quick response.
So you take [make+O+adjective] for as an ellipsis of [make+O+be+adjective].
I see.

BTW I don't still understand why 'have' can take [V+O+doing] and 'make'/'let' cannot.
1) (x) I'll not make you rolling on the floor.
2) (x) I'll not let you laughing at me in public.
3) (o) I'll not have you saying such dirty words.
Could you give me any suggestions?

paco
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In the sentence "I'll not have you saying such dirty words.", the word "have" is not a "causative verb" which needs bare infinitive. In the sentence, "have" means "permit or allow." In that meaning, "have" takes [V+O+~ing].
In the sentence "I'll not have you saying such dirty words.", have means "allow, permit". In that case, have can take [have + O + ~ing] form.
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