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At this point it is obligatory to point out that ... means "male human being". I have now discharged this obligation.

And usually still does to people outside the USA and outside the academic disciplines of theology and the social sciences.

I'm sorry, I don't understand this sentence. What usually still does what?

-Aaron J. Dinkin
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A third way is to seek new terminology. In the ... ...' etc. 'Thank you, Chair, for giving me this opportunity.

The snag with this approach is what to call the person who takes over in the absence of the normal ... not the Vice Chair. That sounds, to me, too much like a sordid piece of furniture. I am the vice-chairman.

But, but if "vice-chairman" carries no hint of "vice" to you, why should "vice chair" suddenly do so?

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But, but if "vice-chairman" carries no hint of "vice" to you, why should "vice chair" suddenly do so?

Graeme may not *be* the vice Chair, but there is an office by that name, and he its occupant...protocol in such a setting often requires that petitioners address not the individual but the position..
There's an opportunity for a wisecrack here about a (vice-)chairman speaking ex cathedra, but I'd as soon not bother..r
At this point it is obligatory to point out that ... means "male human being". I have now discharged this obligation.

And usually still does to people outside the USA and outside the academic disciplines of theology and the social sciences.

Really? So "There was a man on the corner" would not be taken as indicating the sex (and age) of the referent, as it now would, but presumably once would not have?

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Though all managers are men, not all men are managers.

I've had as many as three women at a time in my management chain. (I currently have one, but as CEO she's arguably more an "executive" than a "manager".)

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The snag with this approach is what to call the ... like a sordid piece of furniture. I am the vice-chairman.

But, but if "vice-chairman" carries no hint of "vice" to you, why should "vice chair" suddenly do so?

I often state that I am in charge of all vice in the organization.

I suspect that the real answer to your question is that the person in charge is, to my ears, a chairman or chairwoman. If that person wishes to call himself or (more commonly) herself a chair, then I think that such people ought to be allowed to do so. But, if I'm running a committee, I'm the chairman. So, to me, a chair is a piece of furtniture, and a vice chair is a piece of furniture equipped with vices.

Graeme Thomas
A third way is to seek new terminology. In the ... ...' etc. 'Thank you, Chair, for giving me this opportunity.

The snag with this approach is what to call the person who takes over in the absence of the normal ... forcibly, that I am not the Vice Chair. That sounds, to me, too much like a sordid piece of furniture.

For your delectation, a picture of the vice chair:

http://www.furnitureporn.com/bond3.html
-skipka
Sorry, but the ending "-man" refers to man, from the Old English mann, meaning man.

Actually, I think that Old English "mann" meant 'person'. The Old English word for 'man', "wer", was lost, ... word for 'man', "vir", was lost and replaced with the Latin word for 'person', "homo", which became "homme" and "hombre".)

MWCD10 says that the Old English word meant "human being, male human", so it aparently had started to get connotation of sex by then.

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Hmmm. I'm not sure I'm either. I was born fairly pre-bicentennially in '62,

Aha, Post-Sputnik Pre-Tonkin. There are descendants of my ancestors who are Post-Sputnik Pre-Tonkin.
and my acronym skills obviously need polishing as I have no idea WTH OEFSOITAS means.

BTW, we try not to top-post here, so expect a scolding from Jimbo Follett soon.
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