Being a Leftpondian, I use the colloquial abbreviation "math", which is singular. Do those who say "maths" say "Maths is ..." or "Maths are ..."? Mike Hardy
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Being a Leftpondian, I use the colloquial abbreviation "math", which is singular. Do those who say "maths" say "Maths is ..." or "Maths are ..."? Mike Hardy

"Maths is ..."
We think of it as a singular subject, like "Economics" (US = "Economic").
Matti
Being a Leftpondian, I use the colloquial abbreviation "math", which ... "Maths is ..." or "Maths are ..."? Mike Hardy

"Maths is ..." We think of it as a singular subject, like "Economics" (US = "Economic").

According to Fowler (MEU, s.v. -ics 2), the number of -ics words is a subtle matter. He, at least, would say "Mathematics is hard for me" but "His mathematics are weak", and I am inclined to agree with him.
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"Maths is ..." We think of it as a singular subject, like "Economics" (US = "Economic").

According to Fowler (MEU, s.v. -ics 2), the number of -ics words isa subtle matter. He, at least, would say "Mathematics is hard forme" but "His mathematics are weak", and I am inclined to agree withhim.

Burchfield's update let's be honest and say "rewrite" has "...But when used to mean 'the use of mathematics in calculations, etc.', a plural verb is often used ( The mathematics of the launching of the spacecraft are extremely complicated )."
Mike.
Being a Leftpondian, I use the colloquial abbreviation "math", which ... "Maths is ..." or "Maths are ..."? Mike Hardy

"Maths is ..." We think of it as a singular subject, like "Economics" (US = "Economic").

We use Economics for the noun, just like you do. But you were just teasing, right?
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According to Fowler (MEU, s.v. -ics 2), the number of ... are weak", and I am inclined to agree with him.

Mike Lyle:
Burchfield's update let's be honest and say "rewrite" has "...But when used to mean 'the use of mathematics in calculations, etc.', a plural verb is often used ( The mathematics of the launching of the spacecraft are extremely complicated )."

Fascinating. For me math is singular no matter which letters you include or omit; that example just looks wrong to me. However, google counts for various sentences with the long form show usage almost equally divided:
"the mathematics is simple" 307
"the mathematics are simple" 218
"the mathematics is very simple" 29
"the mathematics are very simple" 27
"the mathematics is complex" 22
"the mathematics are complex" 28
"the mathematics is very complex" 8
"the mathematics are very complex" 2
"the mathematics is complicated" 31
"the mathematics are complicated" 17
"the mathematics is very complicated" 7
"the mathematics are very complicated" 2
"the mathematics is straightforward" 39
"the mathematics are straightforward" 34
"the mathematics is very straightforward" 1
"the mathematics are very straightforward" 1

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Joe Fineman: Mike Lyle:

Burchfield's update let's be honest and say "rewrite" ... mathematics of thelaunching of the spacecraft are extremely complicated )."

Fascinating. For me math is singular no matter which letters you include or omit; that example just looks wrong to me. However,google counts for various sentences with the long form show usage almost equally divided:

I find the plural awkward, too. But it's one of those things which goes fuzzy on me if I stop and think about it.
Mike.
"Maths is ..." We think of it as a singular subject, like "Economics" (US = "Economic").

We use Economics for the noun, just like you do. But you were just teasing, right?

I realized later that it was an imperfect example. Let's think of one that fits the Math(s) pattern...
Statistics, of course. We do stats, and you do stat right?

Matti
I realized later that it was an imperfect example. Let's think of one that fits the Math(s) pattern... Statistics, of course. We do stats, and you do stat right?

Sure, and we do physics and you do 'fisick', yes?
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