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(...sound stuff...) It strikes me that the Macquarie definition fits ... "an ice-cream man sells ice-cream to people who want it".

Is the point perhaps that an economist may work independently of any client, often as an academic, whereas an accountant ... is paid to come up with whatever answer the client wants, but that must be mere cynicism . . .)

Banks, other financial institutions, governments, etc. employ economists. Googling for "chief economist" finds plenty of individuals of the species. In their cases the employer is the client.

Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from a.e.u)
Dear Zymurgists There is probably a very practical reason why "zymurgy" was dropped from one of M-W's printed editions. If my suspicions are true, then the reason why M-W did not provide this explanation will be obvious.

It was dropped in 1983 and has not reappeared.
First of all, no lexicographer would willingly drop this word. It was a poor decision even from a marketing viewpoint. ... idea of the level of coverage. And many a buyer has seen "zymurgy" as the last word in other dictionaries.

I actually said something in my letter about how it looked funny because every other dictionary has it ! I pointed out that the omission will hasten the decline in its use, and other dictionaries will eventually follow suit. I probably shouldn't have added that this would probably tend to justify their omission in retrospect, adding to M-wWs reputation as "progressive".
This decision was made by a "bean-counter", I mean, an accountant.

I think this is true, but not quite the way you describe:
First, let's understand the concept of... FOLIO a sheet of writing material, one half of a bifolium. The front and ... the text exactly fills up a given number of large sheets, except for the very last word and its definition.

Actually, if you look at 9th edition of the Collegiate (the 1st to omit "zymurgy"), you will see that there is much blank space after the last word on that page, enough for dozens of words. The next section starts on the next page. (There is even a pretty good blank space between each letter, which would allow for tightening if what you described happened.)
Funny thing is, i actually mentioned in my letter that another reason the omission seemed silly to me was that there was plenty of room on the page. He replied that this is not how they operate. They plan the dictionary based on their selection principles, not on whether there is extra space.
This was when he was in his right mind, though. Later was another story...
The production manager probably decided it was not worth the expense of using one more large sheet for every book printed just to get one more word into the dictionary. What is that word? Zymurgy? Never heard of it. Who needs it?

There's a fine picture of Merriam-Webster !
It may not be quite this preposterous, but my suspicion is almost as foolish in my estimation. I think they used the Nexus database as a shortcut to their word selection, trusting too highly in its findings.
To quote ER Lyon's last sentence: "I'm practical sometimes, ..." So, now you know what happened to "zymurgy" and why no one at M-W wanted to tell you. This was another "Just So" story, by izzy.

This should be sent out to all the disgruntled zymurgists who miss their word.
At the risk of projecting myself into you: This *is* a fairy tale, right ?
ER Lyon
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You may not know this if you don't use Google, ... a rarity, and the highest in this thread, i think.

Where do you find these ratings?

Go to Google and click "groups" and you can look for youself. Most of the ratings are from "1 user". Usually my posts get a 2 star out of 5 (below average).
I've pledged not to participate in this farce, apart form a few experiments i did to see how the system works, which i reported on in the thread on the "rating thang".
ER Lyon
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Shocking lexicography. I nominate it as the first declared runner in a new AUE-type game of finding the worst definition in a standard dictionary. "One-and-a-half to one, the field!"

One and a half to one? You must be an Otherpondian AICMFP. Tattersalls insist on six to four.

John Dean
Oxford
Shocking lexicography. I nominate it as the first declared runner ... definition in a standard dictionary. "One-and-a-half to one, the field!"

The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary (1988 reprint of a 1983 edition): Enlightenment ... 2. (after G. Aufklaerung.) Shallow and pretentious intellectualism, unreasonable contempt for authority and tradition, etc.; applied esp. to the spirit and aims of the French philosophers of the 18th c. 1865.

Blimey! OED1 has an unexpurgated version, though. That's a touch more temperate.
There isn't, alas, a definition of "Nouvelle Vague".

There will be, Oscar, there will.

Mike.
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Shocking lexicography. I nominate it as the first declared runner ... definition in a standard dictionary. "One-and-a-half to one, the field!"

One and a half to one? You must be an Otherpondian AICMFP. Tattersalls insist on six to four.

Well, it's no secret in these parts that I am of the genus (perhaps the sub-genus?) Otherpondianus . But I learnt the expression from the son of a formerly much-loved NI bookie or, in this context, I suppose, turf accountant who used my ancestral form "Yin-and-a-half tae yin, the field!" Tats influence me only slightly, and then in terms more of their checks than of their cheques.

Mike.
(...sound stuff...) It strikes me that the Macquarie definition fits ... "an ice-cream man sells ice-cream to people who want it".

Is the point perhaps that an economist may work independently of any client, often as an academic, whereas an accountant ... is paid to come up with whatever answer the client wants, but that must be mere cynicism . . .)

That must be significant; but I still don't find the Macq definition an exclusive description of an accountant. I feel the problem began as soon as they admitted the word "economic" instead of "financial" or some better expression Laura or Mike P. may offer. And the way a client might use the information provided is surely of at most variable relevance to the definition: of course accounts must be prepared for particular purposes, but back when I actually had an accountant, I don't think it would have affected his analysis much if I'd ignored it.

Mike.
You may not know this if you don't use Google, ... and the highest in this thread, i think. ER Lyon

Where do you find these ratings?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english?hl=en

Al in St. Lou
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Dear Zymurgists There is probably a very practical reason why "zymurgy" was dropped from one of M-W's printed editions. ... to "zymurgy" and why no one at M-W wanted to tell you. This was another "Just So" story, by izzy.

I'm not sure whether I want to hope that you're wrong or hope that you're correct.

Al in St. Lou
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