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To quote ER Lyon's last sentence: "I'm practical sometimes, ..." ... tell you. This was another "Just So" story, by izzy.

This should be sent out to all the disgruntled zymurgists who miss their word. At the risk of projecting myself into you: This *is* a fairy tale, right ?

In my capacity as a home brewer and baker, I've done a lot of zymurgy in my time; but not even I have ever remembered to call it that (and believe me, if anybody other than Graeme Thomas would, it's me). I suspect that the word is obsolete, and possibly even a nonce-form, as OED1 has only one feeble little unquoted mention, from an 1868 chemical dictionary. When the solar system's major dictionary can only find another dictionary to back it up, I reckon the word in question may be quite nearly what we scholars call "a dead duck". If the only place you can find a word is a dictionary, then perhaps you don't need to look it up in a dictionary.
The TLFi shows no sign of * zymurgie " in French use, which lends support to my speculation: they've been busy with zymurgical crafts as long as any.
If it's any consolation, both Collins 2000 and the Welsh Academy English-Welsh Dictionary still entertain the word, but follow it with "Zyrian". The Welsh for "zymurgy" is, I need hardly remind you, esplesgemeg . OED1 tops these with "zyxt", a Kentish word, as I'm sure we all know, for "see". Get onto M-W for missing that out.
TLFi still wins, though: it does "Zzz". Perhaps OED3 goes for bust with "ZZ" I don't know. International competition on this matter, once entered, could become unwieldy. M-W hits back with "ZZ"; TLFi ripostes with "ZZ"; the Iranian National Corpus smites the Infidel with "ZZ"; the Russians will have none of it and bring out a hasty new edition explaining "ZZ"; The Daily Mail launches a campaign "Our Leftie Eggheads Won't Put Britain First" and floods the market with "ZZ"; Osama bin Ladin's family buy OUP and insist on editorial control; meanwhile, it turns out that at some point Warren Buffet has bought Manchester United, but he won't say why.

Within five short years there isn't a tree left on the planet, and the world's economy collapses. George Monbiot and David Bellamy say they told us so, and Mickwick reckons they're wrong, but we should panic anyway. A White House spokesman says it's what God wanted all along, and removes all taxes from anybody declaring over one million USD in earned income and all their descendants. Prime Minister Brown kind of agrees, though prudently, and commits British forces to support the US invasion of The French Academy.

Australia agrees to send fifteen troops with master's degrees. The rest is history.

Mike.
(...about Macquarie...) Back to M-W. While I'm in the thread, and if it hasn't been covered already, can a dictionary really get an erection?

There's one in mine but I think it was always there. There's a name for that, isn't there?

Stephen
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And what, precisely, does that mean?

Ah, I see you must be an accountant. Sorry. They have a reputation,=20 whether deserved or not, for concentrating so hard on correctness of=20 form that the real goal is not achieved.
Present company excepted.
and fails

the test of conciseness in the first five words, which ... information=20 accountants generally deal in. The correct word is =93financial=94.

I don't agree. Accountants deal with a great deal of non-financial=20 information.=20

But surely only as it applies to accounts, reporting, and financial=20 questions? And if you look at what economic means, it is clearly the big =

picture, while my accountant helps me with my personal financial=20 situation or that of my company.
Given the range of different types of activity undertaken
by present-day accountants, I think the definition you so despise is=20 quite good.

Do you think those of other dictionaries are adequate?
Bookkeepers record. Auditors verify. Not all accountants give advice on= tax. I don't know where in the world you are posting from but it's clear to = me that you have little knowledge of what accountants do.

Does your reader strip out my signature?
Compare with the SOED (2002): noun 2 A professional keeper ... or who is in= charge of public or private accounts.

What would be your concise definition?
=20
Stephen
Lennox Head, Australia
In my capacity as a home brewer and baker, I've done a lot of zymurgy in my time; but not ... you can find a word is a dictionary, then perhaps you don't need to look it up in a dictionary.

This may be true. M-W will probably be historically honored for its courageous and pioneering removal of the word.
For what it's worth, Google still shows 160,000 hits on it. I recall that five years ago when i asked them about it there were numerous web sites devoted to the subject by name, though i haven't checked lately. As far as i know, the magazine "Zymurgy" is still published on the subject.
If it is less used than any other word in the Collegiate, they were reasonable to remove it. As Mr so-and-so said, it's still in the "Third".
ER Lyon
they might
remove the problem).

No further information about the business of accounting is given by either. The first sense is given by both is "one that gives an account or is accountable." There is more information in M-W at "accounting":

Merriam Webster's 10th Collegiate
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
accounting
noun

1 : the system of recording and summarizing business and financialtransactions and analyzing, verifying, and reporting the results; also : the principles and procedures of accounting

2 a : work done in accounting or by accountants b : an instance ofapplied accounting or of the settling or presenting of accounts

Stephen
Lennox Head, Australia
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the word in question may be quite nearly what we ... you don't need to look it up in a dictionary.

This may be true. M-W will probably be historically honored for its courageous and pioneering removal of the word. For ... name, though i haven't checked lately. As far as i know, the magazine "Zymurgy" is still published on the subject.

I didn't think of Ggling before setting out on my riff. You're right: they're just wrong to omit it, and I'm glad people have taken it up.

Mike.
Okay, but you don't need to say so to be polite !

It would be better to read if you could find the response.

Okay, we'll wait on that. You're a diplomat.
Gosh, you are careful.

I'm not sure that's the right word. I don't like to give offense inadvertently, but I'm willing to disagree. I'd rather not judge. I'm giving up fear anf guilt along with judgement.

Difficult, though, if you (i don't mean you) are faced with someone's relentlessly destructive and costly behavior every day.
Perhaps i should be more careful but it seems almost impossible to write in a newsgroup without being misunderstood sometimes.

Oh yes, I don't worry about when it happens, except that I do try to make it clear I consider all equal and everyone as okay, no matter how bad a day/week/year/life they seem to be having.

People seem to need a lot of reassurance.
Usually it is people not recognizing humor or irony. I ... and it would spoil the magic of writing for me.

I don't think you should change.

Thanks ! Hey, did you hear that, everybody ?
It wasn't a rigmarole to me; just me being myself. I want to be helpful more than anything else and my ultimate purpose is peace.

(We always called it "rigamarole".)
Some day you'll have to tell me about your life-changing experience...

ER Lyon
(...about Macquarie...) Back to M-W. While I'm in the thread, and if it hasn't been covered already, can a dictionary really get an erection?

There's one in mine but I think it was always there. There's a name for that, isn't there?

Say, where is Perch?

SML
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What definition is that ?

In giving it, I emphasise that it is not typical and that Macquarie should not be judged by its worst example. accountant "noun a person whose profession is analysing and communicating economic information for the judgement and decision-making of individuals and organisations who seek it."

It seems too specialized for a single definition of the word. I don't know much about accounting.
So many posts all of a sudden. I'll have to get back to this.

ER Lyon
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