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John Dean typed thus:
Raymond S. Wise typed thus: (where's the thread on class?) ... of chattel to rank with "the car" and "the dog".

Wouldn't you say it was the definite article rather than the noun which makes it such an offensive construction? 'I'll ... ask the missus'. Or indeed 'I'll ask the old ball & chain', 'I'll ask the trouble and strife' et al

My post was faulty; it plainly implies that I was referring to "the missus", but I thought I was writing about "the wife".

In other words, I agree with you.
Happy Pancake Day!

David
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Jerry Friedman typed thus:
First post to this froup (though I have lurked for ... been held, say, 50 years ago). Any other thoughts/ possibilities?

"Mistress". If you don't believe me, you can look it up at . My thought was that someone else would ... I realized there was a possibility that people had just given you the kind of chaff that Peter Tillman did.

I answered it at 12:07 GMT, more than six hours before you. Several other people have also given the correct answer in the intervening hours.

David
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Raymond S. Wise typed thus:

That's true. But the same pronunciation used as a noun ... determiner: "I'll ask the missus." "That's his missus, all right."

(where's the thread on class?)

Well above me and the missis.
This is an ugly term which has never passed my lips. . "the missus" sounds like some sort of chattel to rank with "the car" and "the dog".

It's marginally better than "her inside". (Rumpole springs to mind, but he also used "she who must be obeyed" from Rider-Haggard, so memory might be playing tricks.)

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Robin Bignall
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That's Arthur Daley (ex Minder) and "'er indoors".

GC
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"By virtue of the power vested in me by the State of California, I know (sic) pronounce you spouses for life".

A cruel and unusual form of punishment.

Rob Bannister
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In fact, it leads to errors. Addressing someone as "Mrs Jane Jones" strongly implies that the person is married or ... as "Miss Jane Jones" implies unmarried status. The "Ms" neatly avoids this. It removes the awkwardness. It is always correct.

Whilst agreeing with all the above, "Ms" has a pronunciation problem. Also, I know quite a large number of married women who get quite angry when addressed, by voice or letter, as "Ms".

Rob Bannister
In fact, it leads to errors. Addressing someone as "Mrs ... avoids this. It removes the awkwardness. It is always correct.

Whilst agreeing with all the above, "Ms" has a pronunciation problem.

I thought that Pogo taught us all how to say Miz Hepzibah.
Also, I know quite a large number of married women who get quite angry when addressed, by voice or letter, as "Ms".

Oh, there are quite a large number of married women who get quite angry, no matter what. Not that I blame them. Not me.

Skitt (in Hayward, California)
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Mr. for Master Mrs. for Mistress Miss for Mistress Ms. for

This took me by surprise. Do you honestly think women who use "Ms." are bitches?
I'm hoping it's a joke. Perhaps other readers will even think it's funny, although I don't see how. (Cue comments on "humorless feminists.")

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First post to this froup (though I have lurked for ... been held, say, 50 years ago). Any other thoughts/ possibilities?

"Mistress". If you don't believe me, you can look it up at . My thought was that someone else would ... I realized there was a possibility that people had just given you the kind of chaff that Peter Tillman did.

There were two questions asked. "Mistress" is the answer to the first, "Missus" to the second. (Mistress is also the origin of Miss, so spelling Mrs as Mistress would be ambiguous and silly. Similarly, Mr is derived from Master, but you can't spell it like that because Master means something different.) Oh, and I'd appreciate it if you'd spell my name correctly. It's presumably written on the screen in front of you, and counting letters isn't all that difficult.
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