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The French have this right - at a certain age a woman moves from being addressed as Mademoiselle to being addressed as Madame. It is never wrong to call an adult lady "Madame", and it implies no knowledge of her state of marriage.

I'll never forget the shock of the day when children started calling me "ma'am" rather than "miss."

Truly Donovan
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The French have this right - at a certain age ... and it implies no knowledge of her state of marriage.

I'll never forget the shock of the day when children started calling me "ma'am" rather than "miss."

As we age we tend to remember earlier events better than more recent ones. I therefore remember quite vividly turning into "sir" one day. I'm now at the point where young women hold doors for me. I don't know whether to dread it or enjoy it.

Bob Lieblich
Not doddering yet
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Mr. for Master Mrs. for Mistress Miss for Mistress Ms. for

This took me by surprise. Do you honestly think women who use "Ms." are bitches?

I don't aspire to be Spehro, but I agree with him 100%.
I'm hoping it's a joke. Perhaps other readers will even think it's funny, although I don't see how. (Cue comments on "humorless feminists.")

There's nothing funny about Ms bitches. Major groups of Ms-users:
1. Screeching, castrating, man-hating bitches
2. Mousy-but-I-still-got-you-by-the-balls bitches (Hi, Muffy!)
3. Bitter, divorced bitches (Hi, Truly!)
4. Silly, mindless young bitches
5. Hairy-legged lesbian bitches
6. Obese & ugly bitches
7. Sensitive, comrades-in-arms homosexuals
8. Spineless editors of all media and reference works
9. Profit-hungry businessmen (who also use "gender" for "sex")
10. All "socially sensitive" government agencies

Reinhold (Rey) Aman
Addressing someone as "Mrs Jane Jones" strongly implies that the person is married or that the person is assumed to be married..

Actually, in some circles the implication is that she is divorced. If she is still married to Mr Jones, she is Mrs Bartholomew Jones or Jane Jones, but never, never Mrs Jane Jones.

I would say "circumstances" but not "circles". I would write a note to the married Mrs Bartholomew Jones, but introduce her as Mrs Jane Jones. Even in proper circles, circumstances dictate.
I'm now at the point where young women hold doors for me. I don't know whether to dread it or enjoy it.

I will never to hold a door for you.

Dena Jo
But then I'm not young.
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Mr. for Master Mrs. for Mistress Miss for Mistress Ms. for

Bzzzzzzt! Ooh, wrong answer.

Ms. Dena Jo
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There's nothing funny about Ms bitches. Major groups of Ms-users: 1. Screeching, castrating, man-hating bitches 2. Mousy-but-I-still-got-you-by-the-balls bitches (Hi, Muffy!) ... all media and reference works 9. Profit-hungry businessmen (who also use "gender" for "sex") 10. All "socially sensitive" government agencies

11. Women who find double standards offensive.

Ms. Dena Jo
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Reinhold (Rey) Aman
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Reinhold (Rey) Aman posted thus:

There's nothing funny about Ms bitches. Major groups of Ms-users: ... use "gender" for "sex") 10. All "socially sensitive" government agencies

11. Women who find double standards offensive. Ms. Dena Jo[/nq]^^^
You're a "Ms." with a period, so you're okay.

Reinhold (Rey) Aman, Mr.
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