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These are from Cambridge Grammar of English Language
The degree adverbs very and too modify adjectives and adverbs, but not nouns and verbs.
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With nouns and verbs the closest counterparts to the constructions in [15i–ii] contain
the determinative much: (very) much and too much.
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Under restricted conditions, adjectives and adverbs can also take much as degree modifier.....


Why is 'much' used here with the adjective 'same' instead of 'very' or 'too'?


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"much the same" is a set phrase that we use without being very conscious of its grammatical explanation.

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Tara2Why is 'much' used here with the adjective 'same' instead of 'very' or 'too'?

This goes in the category of "much the" with an adjective or adverb in the comparative or superlative degree.

That was much the worst film I've seen this year.
Of the three, he seemed much the least robotic candidate.
For much the greater part of that time they were there as a small minority.
It was embarrassing how poorly we did considering we were much the better team.
Much the larger part of private-equity money is spent on buy-outs of established companies.


'same' also involves comparison, so it has the same grammatical pattern.

much the same meaning, much the same situation, much the same reasons, much the same way, much the same rate, much the same sales reports, ...

'much the same' is used much, much more frequently than any of the other phrasings illustrated above.


'very' would have to go "inside the": the very same meaning, the very same situation, etc. Not very the same meaning. Here, 'very' means 'exact': the exact same meaning, etc.

'too' isn't possible with 'same'. Once two things are the same, they are equal in some way. You can't have anything that's "too same" or "too the same" just as things can't be "too equal".

CJ

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CalifJimThat was much the worst film I've seen this year.Of the three, he seemed much the least robotic candidate. For much the greater part of that time they were there as a small minority.It was embarrassing how poorly we did considering we were much the better team.Much the larger part of private-equity money is spent on buy-outs of established companies.

Sorry CJ, what does 'much' mean in these sentences?

Tara2what does 'much' mean in these sentences?

Usually, 'by far'.

We were much the better team. ~ We were by far the better team. ~ We were the better team by far.

good .................................. better ..................... much better

One team - - - The better team.
One team - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - By far the better team.

CJ

Many thanks CJ. Sorry I still have questions Emotion: smile

In the example below 'much' is strange, when a film is the worst film it means there's no film more worse than that, here 'much' is meaningless, no?


That was much the worst film I've seen this year.

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Tara2In the example below 'much' is strange, when a film is the worst film it means there's no film more worse than that, here 'much' is meaningless, no?

True, it seems that way, but it's saying that of all the films I've seen this year, this one was worst, but in a way that made it much worse than the film which was next worst.

4 bad film . 3 worse film . 2 even worse film . 1 worst film

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4 bad film . 3 worse film . 2 even worse film ........................................... 1 worst film

In the second display above, the worst film is much the worst film or by far the worst film.

CJ

I understand. Many thanks CJ for your excellent explanations. Emotion: smile