I finally figured out how to get all the AUE posts from 1991 through 1994 that I was missing the last time I'd Googled it! It really does look like 1991 is the beginning of the AUE. Here's the only real original left's first AUE post,
13 years ago:

"One sheriff, two sherifim. (Shelly Berman, right?)

More recently, we have the "false German/Yiddish" plurals "Vaxen" and "Macintoshen". The latter never really caught on, but was common at Stanford right after the computer was released, the former was (is?) standard usage. I assume that they were by analogy to "oxen" and "homentashen" respectively. (And if you don't know what homentashen are, boy, did you have a deprived childhood!)
And then there's "This is a moose. There were three of them.." :-)"

As usual, it's full of things I don't understand. Am I going to really have to Google "Shelly Berman", "Vaxen", "Macintoshian", AND "homentashen" from this post alone? I'm guessing these are real 90's-isms? But, my point is, if I have four things that must be Googled to be understood in this one* post, how am I ever going to be able to Google *everything* from *every post that needs Googling to be understood?
BTW, I notice Evan used a smiley face back then. Given that he's the only original left, and he used a smiley face in his first post, that means that the smiley face is of special significance for the AUE. It is your mascot. CJ was lambasted for his use of smileys, but it's you people who should be criticized for notusing them, evidentally, for you're the ones going against the original laws of the AUE. So, from here forth, everyone can and must use smileys! Like this! Emotion: smile
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Dammit! It's NOT the first AUE post! It contains the quote:
Hear, hear! False Latin plurals like "octopi", "ignorami", and "diplomae" really grate on me."

WHERE did that quote of Mark Israel's some from? Where's its post?! HELP!
GOOGLE MAY 13, 1991 FOR THE AUE.
What do you find? 23 threads are listed. And that's all that can be seen. But, how come it says "threads 1-23 of 106". Where are the rest of the 106 and how come I can't see them? I TOLD YOU ALL THAT GOOGLE ISN'T THOROUGH!
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LOL! The very first AUE post was by a Finlandian woman! She ended her post with "Peace!". I guess Finland was ghetto far before America, eh?
Also from the original AUE post. Isn't this ironic? Don't ya think:

"Any information about this word would be very much appreciated; and prey do not flame me in alt.usage.english, after all I have not taken English in school with the same depth that you do in English-speaking countries... Kind and civilized corrections are most welcome, though."
"Information"? "Not flaming"? "Kind"? "Civilized"? "Corrections"? These are all words foreign to the AUE. She must have put a voodoo hex on this place. Either that, or May 13, '91 was opposite day!
From the AUE's first day:
">>"All tolled" or "all told"?
Question: "How many people were at your hose last night?" Answer: "Fifty, all told."

Shouldn't this be in alt.sex.orgy ?"
I don't get that already. Now, I'm only posting this because this is clearly not* something that can be Googled. What does *anything in the above post have to do with sex? Maybe this is a reference too 90's for me?

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GOOGLE MAY 13, 1991 FOR THE AUE. What do you find? 23 threads are listed. And that's all that can ... the rest of the 106 and how come I can't see them? I TOLD YOU ALL THAT GOOGLE ISN'T THOROUGH!

I applaud your efforts to educate yourself with Google Advanced Group Search (I assume that is where you are), but I hope you will calm down a little. You have very high expectations, you seem to expect to understand everything instantly or else you get upset.

One, we have noticed errors in Googles estimates when it says "about 331" and whatever. It uses some formulas to estimate how many posts fit the description, and sometimes its estimation formulas are wrong. Don't worry about it. You get as many posts as it actually has in its database. It was wrong about the 106, not about the 23.

Two, as people told you, a.u.e goes further back in years than the Google archives. The nice people at Google decided to put as many posts as they could in their archive, but for whatever reason, they couldn't get them all. The others are probably gone forever (which doesn't trouble me a bit).
Three, when you're reading anything (a post, a book, anything) you have to learn to sort of glumph past unfamiliar words. Just mark them mentally as "these must be old show-business performers" or "these look like some Yiddish words" and don't let them trouble you. Maybe someday you'll come across them again. Keep looking to make sure you understand the main point of what is being said if it interests you at all. (If it doesn't interest you at all, skip it.) Don't Sweat the Small Stuff.
Four, what was the point, exactly, of this historical excursion? Do you think you can understand what is going on at a.u.e now by looking at what went on ten years ago? You're entitled to such a historical quest, but I don't see why old posts, overall, are any more interesting than current ones.
I wish you would please stop switching to all caps. It makes me wince. Do you shout in a library?

Best wishes Donna Richoux
I finally figured out how to get all the AUE posts from 1991 through 1994 that I was missing the last time I'd Googled it! It really does look like 1991 is the beginning of the AUE. Here's the only real original left's

I object to being called a "left"!
first AUE post, 13 years ago:

Nope. It's


from June 10, 1991. The one you quote wasn't until August 19, 1991.
"One sheriff, two sherifim. (Shelly Berman, right?) More recently, we have the "false German/Yiddish" plurals "Vaxen" and "Macintoshen". The latter ... usual, it's full of things I don't understand. Am I going to really have to Google "Shelly Berman", "Vaxen", "Macintoshian",

That's "Macintoshen".
AND "homentashen" from this post alone? I'm guessing these are real 90's-isms?

Not at all. Shelley Berman (note spelling. I got it wrong in the article there was no place on-line to check in those days) was comedian who was popular in the late '50s and early '60s. Most of us of my generation who knew him did so from albums our parents had. (They're like CDs, but bigger and they scratch easier.) He has a web site at
http://www.shelleyberman.com /
Vaxen were first marketed in the 1977, and you can find the word used in the Google archives "all the way back" (May 20, 1981). Macintoshen showed up in 1984, but the word was less often used, and doesn't show up on Usenet until late 1989. Probably because more people were familiar with oxen than homentashen. In either case, consider

ox : oxen :: ? : vaxen
etc. and you should be able to figure out what they were. Or maybe not. A Vax was like a computer but was smaller (although you still needed a machine room) and cheap enough (under $100,000 if I recall correctly) that a department could afford one, although they were sufficiently underpowered that you really didn't want more than about a dozen people working on it at a time. When you hear of a computer rated in MIPS, one MIP(1) is the processing power of a Vax 11/780, which was pretty much top-of-the-line when I entered Stanford. I'd guess that a modern PC would be something like 4,000 MIPS(3).

Homentashen are a bit more obscure, and the spelling varies. Some people spell it with an "a" rather than an "o", and some use "sch" rather than "sh". MWCD10 does both, and lists it under "hamentasch".

(1) Yes, I know. "MIPS" stands for "Millions of Instructions Per Second"(2), but it was still "one MIP".
(2) Except when it stands for "Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed".
(3) Poking around, I found indication that a P6 was rated at about 100 MIPS in 1995.

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Nope. It's

That's Message 8 in the thread. Shouldn't Message 1 be the first?

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