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"He's never ever wrong."

If you had to give an explanation of that structure, would you look at it stylistically, or grammatically?
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I would look at it in a dictionary:

Longman Dictionary:

never ever
(=used to emphasize what you are saying)
 - I'll never ever forgive him for leaving me.


... and would take it as an idiom or something, that is, I would use it the way others use it, and it's so because they say so.
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The dictionary doesn't give much, if any, information about style, register or even the grammar of that item, does it?
AnonymousThe dictionary doesn't give much, if any, information about style, register or even the grammar of that item, does it?
It doesn't give too much information about any other idiom either. Are you going to complain about at least 10,000 other entries? However, the information it gives about "never ever" is enough for me, and I think it's probably enough for other learners too. I think intensifiers are found in most languages.
< the information it gives about "never ever" is enough for me, and I think it's probably enough for other learners too.>

Well I'm glad you're such an expert on that item. Please tell those of us, who sometimes need more, where and when should or should we not use never ever.
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AnonymousPlease tell those of us, who sometimes need more, where and when should or should we not use never ever.
1) You don't need more, you are just being overly picky on purpose.

2) Meaning = Emphatic never. Try to copy the patterns you hear. If you feel unsure, don't use it. It's not necessary to understand everything right away.
3) If you really want a native speaker's opinion, you can ask one (for example on the internet, for example in this forum).
4) If you don't like any of the explanations and comments you are given, please state why and provide your own answers to your own questions, so that we will all be enlightened and finally get to know this esoteric ultimate truth you've been trying to communicate.
<1) You don't need more, you are just being overly picky on purpose.>

It seems you model the abilities and needs of all ESL students on yourself.
AnonymousIt seems you model the abilities and needs of all ESL students on yourself.

That's what you are doing too, except it's never clear what the foudation of your reasoning is, and often also what the actual reasoning is.

It seems successful fluent learners of any language have focused less on unimportant theoretical details, and more on practicing input and output extensively, picking up the details almost unconsciously through constant exposure.
Each learner learns in their own way, which depends on their first language, motivation, nervous system. Some may need more info on something, others need a different approach, etc. Not everyone learn languages easily, for the same reason not everyone finds math or drawing easy.
Some languages are "weird" because they have some peculiar or different features. English has phrasal verbs, so it's understandable someone who is not familiar with that concept will find it weird, and they should be guided and taught explicitely about that. On the other hand, there seem to be features that are not really that unexpected, like intensifiers, or the concept of intensifying a word or statement at least.
Considering that, and considering my experience in this forum, I wouldn't say "never ever" is something we should worry about so much. My experience in this forum seems to support that opinion: I have seen hundreds of posts about "I wish I was/were" or about articles (all problems peculiar to English), but I don't remember seeing much trouble with "never ever".

So, I don't see any reason why "never ever" should be given so much attention in general, when there are clearly far more things that give trouble to large groups of learners, because of their native language or the personal approach they need to follow.

My opinion, my facts. You have presented none so far, as always.
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AnonymousIt seems you model the abilities and needs of all ESL students on yourself.


We should remember that Kooyeen is the only ESL student on this thread, Anon.

Doesn't that make his point of view of particular interest?

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