Anyone know where this came from and on what it is based? JB
Anyone know where this came from and on what it is based?
The standard expression is 'Your goose is cooked', meaning that you are in big trouble. I'd understand 'You've cooked your own goose' to be derived from this, meaning 'You have caused big trouble for yourself'.
If you want to research 'Your goose is cooked', you might also like to look at the common and somewhat similar expression, 'You're a dead duck'.
Best wishes, Clive
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It is possible that Johnathan Huss may have been at the center of this. Huss was a Catholic priest in the 17th century and rallied against the church to be more open to the people, let them read the bible, a more open church. Like Martin Luther, who rallied for the same causes, Huss was eventually burned at the stake. In those days the translation of Huss in old German was 'goose', so when Huss was burned the expression may have come from that. Huss called his followers Moravians because they were from an area near Czeslovakia(I know I spelled that wrong). The Moravian church was THE first reformed Protestant religion and his followers layed low. In 1741, Count Zinzindorf from the old country named Bethlehem, PA on a Christmas Eve and the town became a large Moravian community. Moravian College is in Bethlehem with a bust of Johnathan Huss. There are many structural Moravian sites in town that have been standing since the 18th century. It is beautiful at Christmas as Moravians celebrate Christmas like no other religion.
This is dead on. However, when the Council of Constance (Which convened in 1414 and found Huss guilty of heresy) bragged, "You're goose is cooked" to the churches of Prauge and others which followed Huss (who was accused of being a disciple of John Wycliffe rather than Jesus) thier response was "You've cooked your own goose" which was a threat against the council and papal authority.
On a side note, while it is true that the followers of Huss were probably the best organized of "Protestants" to this point, there was a rich history of questioning Papal authority beginning much earlier with many of the monastic (monks) movements.
The story of John Huss is worth reading.
A side note about Moravians; it was a Moravian Christian who inspired John Wesley to dig deeper into the subect of Holiness, thus sparking the American Holiness Movement.
I don't see how it can be dead on when it says that John Huss lived in the 17th century and you say that the Council of Constance found him guilty of heresy in 1414.
I was interested in the suggestion that the expression might come from Huss. Is there any evidence for this?
It's one of several expressions derived from cooking in English meaning 'to destroy someone's chances'. To settle one's hash is another. We might say 'When I lost my temper at lunch, that really cooked my goose with my father'. That would mean that my losing my temper at lunch was the last of many things which caused my father to be really angry with me.
Here is the closest thing I have about that.
You may have heard the phrase, "your goose is cooked". This was first coined from the martyrdom of this reformer. Hus' name in German sounded like "goose". Thus, as he was burned, they coined the term "Hus is cooked (or, “your goose is cooked)" in German. Yet, Hus said to the Archbishop during his trial, that though he-
the goose-be burned at the stake, another will come- a swan-to teach and preach the doctrines of the Bible; to finish the work of reformation which had begun. This swan would be no other than Martin Luther in the early 1500’s.
The phrase, "your goose is cooked," comes from a joking statement made by 15th-century Czech reformer John Hus. "Hus" in Czech means "goose." He was invited to a papal council to account for some of the things he had been writing that contradicted the Catholic church's teachings. He decided to attend, saying, "The goose is not yet cooked and is not afraid of being cooked." In other words, he knew that his views could get him burned at the stake as a heretic. When he got to the council, Hus was arrested and sentenced to death by burning. He died in 1415. As it turns out, his goose WAS cooked when he accepted that invitation. But even though he knew he could get into trouble, he wasn't afraid to stand up for what he believed. That gander is a shining example for us today, don't you think?
Thanks! I was wondering about this expression just today.