I've read the first pages of the screenplay for Smoke (the movie came out in
1995) and in scene 2, 3 so-called OTB men are sitting at the counter in thecigar shop, The Brooklyn Cigar Company. I doubt any context will be more helpful.
What does the name "OTB men" mean?

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I've read the first pages of the screenplay for Smoke (the movie came out in 1995) and in scene 2, ... shop, The Brooklyn Cigar Company. I doubt any context will be more helpful. What does the name "OTB men" mean?

OTB=Off Track Betting, the system that, in New York state, allowed the state to go into the bookie business. For many years wagering away from the track was immoral, illegal and fattening. Then the government figured out how to make some money at it, so it's fine.

Bob
I've read the first pages of the screenplay for Smoke (the movie came out in 1995) and in scene 2, ... shop, The Brooklyn Cigar Company. I doubt any context will be more helpful. What does the name "OTB men" mean?

Of the available meanings at
http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=OTB&String=off , my guess would be "off track betting men" bookies.

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What does the name "OTB men" mean?

OTB=Off Track Betting, the system that, in New York state, allowed the state to go into the bookie business. For ... was immoral, illegal and fattening. Then the government figured out how to make some money at it, so it's fine.

Thanks for the explanation.
The Merriam-Webster Dictionary (And most of Google's results) said it meant Off Track Betting too, but I just wasn't sure since I can't figure what these OTB men are doing in a cigar shop yet.

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Kristian Risager Larsen, Denmark
I've read the first pages of the screenplay for Smoke (the movie came out in 1995) and in scene 2, ... shop, The Brooklyn Cigar Company. I doubt any context will be more helpful. What does the name "OTB men" mean?

The OTB is Off Track Betting. The OTB betting shops that I have seen are rather bare rooms with one wall of a betting windows and narrow shelves on two walls that can be used to write betting slips.

The "OTB men" are probably going into the OTB shop, placing their bets, and then going next door or down the street to the cigar shop to wait until the time to go back to the OTB shop and place more bets. The cigar shop has a counter, stools to sit on, and evidently serves coffee or something. The cigar shop allows smoking inside, and the OTB shop probably doesn't. It's just a more comfortable place to wait between races.
The term "OTB men" indicates that these men are regulars at the OTB shop and probably spend most of their days placing bets.
I've read the first pages of the screenplay for Smoke ... be more helpful. What does the name "OTB men" mean?

The OTB is Off Track Betting. The OTB betting shops ..

Oy!

John 'Always wanted to do that!' Dean
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I've read the first pages of the screenplay for Smoke ... be more helpful. What does the name "OTB men" mean?

The OTB is Off Track Betting. The OTB betting shops that I have seen are rather bare rooms with one ... men" indicates that these men are regulars at the OTB shop and probably spend most of their days placing bets.

It seems from your description that New York is going through exactly the same progression as the UK. When off-track betting was legalised here, official policy was to make betting shops as unattractive as possible. They weren't allowed to serve any kind of food or drink - in fact I think customers weren't allowed to eat or drink even if they brought their own. No entertainment could be provided, either. I believe all those restrictions are gone now.
But the idea of a place where you can lay bets prohibiting smoking strikes me as very bizarre. The betting shop is just about the only place where the real traditional smoke-filled atmosphere can be found. I'd expect it to be the last bastion to fall.

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It seems from your description that New York is going through exactly the same progression as the UK. When off-track ... even if they brought their own. No entertainment could be provided, either. I believe all those restrictions are gone now.

Furthermore the windows had to be covered over so that passers by were not attracted by the dirty, smelly, fag-ash ridden rooms with no seats. See, they might have thought, "Oh, I'll just pop into that delightful environment to place a bet".

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It seems from your description that New York is going through exactly the same progression as the UK. When off-track ... even if they brought their own. No entertainment could be provided, either. I believe all those restrictions are gone now.

This seems normal for governments. Canadian
pubs were like this when I got off the boat 40
years ago. They were called "beverage rooms,"
with two rooms, one for men only and the other
for "ladies and escorts." The pub nearest my
university limited the number of escorts to six
for each lady. or else you had to drink on the
men's side.
This was in Ontario, where you then got two
small lager glasses for 15 cents, and the
management allowed no more than 4 glasses
per person. On my first visit to Alberta, it was
a treat to see you could order the waiter to fill
the table 2 minutes before closing time.

Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)
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