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Hi,
You won't find a better offer than that. But take your time to consider it over a cup of coffee.


1. Is 'over' a particle or a preposition in the quotes above?

2. What does 'over' mean in the quotes above?

3. Can I say 'consider something over a cup of tea, a glass of wine/beer/orange..etc.'? Is this pattern common: [consider sth. over sth.]

4. Can 'consider something over' mean 'think something over'? And 'over' pretty much means 'again.' Note: in this usage, 'over' has no object.

Thanks,
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Hi MTL

here you need 'on', across, or round.

*** "I'd consider the offer ON the table"

i.e. an offer has been presented, and I'll consider it. (It doesn't literally have to be ON a table)

Let's discuss this over a table.

***'s discuss this ROUND the table. I think this expression comes from stories of King Arthur's round table, where everyone had an equal right to speak. So you are asking for everybody's views.

I think we should be able to settle the matter over a table

***'m not quite sure what you mean here, but is could be the same as the one above, where everyone expresses their views and a concensus is reached.

Or it could be said let's discuss this ACROSS the table, which implies that there are different views, one side for and one against the argument.

Can we talk about this over a table?

***, difficult without the context, but could be "round the table"
Hi Abbie,

Thanks for joining in the discussions.

Please read the thread from the beginning. And put more comments if you like.

"You won't find a better offer than that. But take your time to consider it over a cup of coffee."

re. quotes above, does the preposition 'over' mean 'above' or 'during' or a little bit of both?

Thanks,
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Hi MTL - I did read the thread before responding to your post about table idioms.

If you are now reverting to the coffee example, it simply means "let's talk about this whilst we have a cup of coffee."

Is there anything else you need to understand re: the table idioms?
Hi Abbie,

Yes. I'm switching back to the coffee example.

"You won't find a better offer than that. But take your time to consider it over a cup of coffee."

What does 'over' mean?
1. above
2. during
3. bothe 1&2
4. something else

Thanks,
Hi MTL,

What we have here is an IDIOM:

Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary:

"a group of words in a fixed order that have a particular meaning that is different from the meanings of each word understood on its own"

Webster

"an expression in the usage of a language that is peculiar to itself either grammatically (as no, it wasn't me) or in having a meaning that cannot be derived from the conjoined meanings of its elements (as Monday week for "the Monday a week after next Monday")"

You will see from the definitions above that the very nature of an idiom is that the individual words cannot be defined precisely, as when used in an idiom, the whole phrase takes on a different meaning.

"Lets dicuss it over coffee / dinner / a game of golf"

In this context, 'over' means "whilst we have"

This is a very common idiom.

It means " Lets get away from this office and go somewhere we can relax, and have a bit of enjoyment as well." There is an implication that the conversation will not be entirely about the matter at hand.

'To think something over' is also an idiom, meaning to consider something, think about it, take time thinking about it, etc. Also a very common idiom.
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Everybody here seems to be using the preposition "over" in the sense of talking or discussing, thinking, having a conversation, etc., but what about a sentence like this:

THIS NEW TECHNIQUE IS AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE OLD ONE.

Who thinks this is correct and who thinks you should say ".......on the old one"?

This has been a topic of some rather heated arguments among my advanced students. I would appreciate any feedback anyone has on this kind of statement.
Either "over" or "on" is fine. "on" or "upon" stresses that something was done to the old one to produce the new one. "over" is "compared to" with the implication of superiority, and in this case there is no allusion to any activities done to the old to produce the new; it's purely comparative.

CJ