re: Pannekoeken page 3

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I cooked them at 425 but they were burned to a crisp. What went wrong?

Your oven is calibrated in Reamur.

Or, as we smart Mac users spell it, Réaumur.

Reinhold (Rey) Aman

For lesser mortals there is a special tool, a 'pannekoekenmes',

So for a compound-compound, you don't have to use the N? Not "pannenkoekenmes"?
Man, people must have been tearing their hair out over those decisions.

Bestenwishen Donna Richoux

A Google search of English-language pages turns up other uses of "pannekoeken" to mean an oven-baked pancake. My question is, ... the Netherlands (hi, Donna!), are pannekoeken ever baked in the oven there? if you have eaten pannekoeken in your area?

Of course.

if so, what country are you writing from?

Belgium (Limburg, Flanders).

were they baked in an oven?

No, almost always in a frying pan.

if you live in Belgium or the Netherlands, are pannekoeken ever baked in the oven there?

Rarely, I would say most people & most places I know bake them, but the grandmother of an ex-girlfriend of mine sometimes used an oven. They were much smaller and puffier though, also pretty heavy.

I cooked them at 425 but they were burned to a crisp. What went wrong?

Can some experienced cook tell us the correct temperature, making clear whether it's in degrees F or C?
Alan Jones

Rarely, I would say most people & most places I know bake them,

You mean they rarely bake them in an oven, right? Not that you rarely say that they do.
Adding to the confusion is the false friendship between Ned. "bakken" (frying) and English "bake" (inside an oven).

but the grandmother of an ex-girlfriend of mine sometimes used an oven. They were much smaller and puffier though, also pretty heavy.

Interesting.

Best Donna Richoux

Pannekoeken are definitely NOT baked in an oven. The word itself (Dutch) points to the use of a 'pan'. A pan (Dutch) is a (Pan) English. I am Dutch an can tell you that a 'pannekoek' is cooked in an open pan. The cooking-time is usually no more than a minute. When cooked on a greased hot metal surface (cast-iron) we call them no longer 'pannekoeken' but 'poffertjes' instead.
dwjo

And to my regret I have to inform you that the spelling 'pannekoeken' is no longer officially correct Dutch since 1996.

Since this is aue, just a note that it would be more idiomatic in English to write "has not been officially-correct Dutch since 1996."

It is 'pannenkoeken' since then, and that is how it has to be written in official documents and by schoolchildren.

Again, "has been" is the more idiomatic tense to use with "since" in that context.

However, not all native writers accept the change. Many other words acquired a middle 'n' too at the sme time.

Perhaps to distance Dutch from Afrikaans, in which the final n, as well as the middle one, has been dropped.

Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
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Your oven is calibrated in Reamur.

Or, as we smart Mac users spell it, Réaumur.

I didn't say Mac users weren't smart. I
just said they were wimpy. Anyway, thanks
for the spelling correction not a word
I use frequently.

I cooked them at 425 but they were burned to a crisp. What went wrong?

Can some experienced cook tell us the correct temperature, making clear whether it's in degrees F or C?

435 C is not a suitable temperature for a domestic oven, being about
800 F. 425 F is about 220 C - Gas Mar 7, which sounds OK to me.

David
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