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Pannekoeken are definitely NOT baked in an oven. The word ... we call them no longer 'pannekoeken' but 'poffertjes' instead. dwjo

I've only eaten at a Pannekoeken Huis (when there existed a chain of such restaurants, see below) once or twice, ... review from the (Minneapolis) *Star Tribune.* Reviewing the FireLake Grill House & Cocktail Bar, Jeremy Iggers wrote the following: See

Anthonie Dekker may be from a small town near Amsterdam (so am I) but his knowledge about pancakes is limited or pure commercial. Joe Reynolds, the next poster here, seems to know a lot more about the subject and I would like to taste the creations of his mom.
The arbitrary wisdom may, of course, be found in a good Dutch cookbook. (Online : http://bitsyskitchen.com/dutch2.html )
BTW, the term for "pancake" is one of those things that varies regionally, like hero/sub/grinder/hoagie. The New York City term ... "flapjacks", "griddle cakes". For some reason McDonald's fixed upon "hotcake" for their ersatz pancake things; is "hotcake" the Illinois term?

Not the Central Illinois term, anyway. The term I grew up with was "pancake."

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Hehe. Actually, today was my first time to make pannekoeken! To be entirely honest, up until yesterday, I had never heard of them. I was just experimenting with all those various fillings (though my mom was the one to come up with the cranberry sauce). By the way, chocolate chips is a BAD BAD idea. They scorch. However, anytime you make it to Conroe, Tx, please stop by and I would be HAPPY to fix you some of my new favorite recipe.

Now American pankakes. Thats something I know about :-)


A preposition is a bad thing to end a sentence on.
My 'is' was inspired by the pecular use of 'is'
made by those advocating a particular spelling.
However, not all native writers accept the change. Many other words acquired a middle 'n' too at the sme time.

Perhaps to distance Dutch from Afrikaans, in which the final n, as well as the middle one, has been dropped.

Of course not.
The Dutch don't care about what 'Afrikaanders' write or don't write.

They don't have even the faintest idea about it, usually.

In my experience, the "Pannekoeken" of the restaurant (maybe was a chain) in the Minneapolis area, were more than one ... baked in an oven, as claimed, but probably at a pretty high heat to ensure the raising of the dough.

Now that sounds like toad-in-the-hole, but with fruit instead of toads.

(The "toads" of toad-in-the-hole are usually sausages, but can be any sort of (boneless!) meat, It's very good with strips of tender steak.)

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... two very different notions of what a "pancake" is. To me, in the UK, ...

Careful - better make that "England".
The model for a British pancake is probably the Breton crêpe, ...

.. and "English" pancake ...
The US pancake seems to be a more solid, cakey kind of thing, which could be - usually is? - baked in the oven.

Pancakes I have eaten in the US have been similar to those cooked for me by Scottish friends, and are what I would call a "drop scone" or "Scots pancake". They are cooked on flat griddle or in a frying pan. The batter is thicker than one would mix for an "English" pancake and is spooned onto the hot cooking surface and allowed to spread out under gravity (no swirling or spreading) to its final size. They're usually about 3/8" thick (but that depends on the consistency of the batter) and anything from a couple of inches to about 8 in diameter - depending on greed and the size of one's spoon.
Agreed - to me (English, but with Northern Irish connections) "pancake" can have either the "drop scone" or the "English pancake" meaning, and my memory of American pancakes is that they resemble the former. This might suggest that the American pancake has Scottish or Irish roots.
Careful - better make that "England". .. and "English" pancake ...

Apologies - I've never eaten homemade pancakes north of Leeds or west of Neath, and rashly generalised from that limited experience.

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BTW, the term for "pancake" is one of those things ... for their ersatz pancake things; is "hotcake" the Illinois term?

Not the Central Illinois term, anyway. The term I grew up with was "pancake."

And they're "pancakes" in Chicago, too. I suspect that they just wanted an allusion to "selling like hotcakes".

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