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Dear languagelover,

I really am sorry for I didn't get your point, I think you hate the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, its people and religion , BUT, you're free to say whatever you like. Although my aunts call me the smart, I did'nt understand what you meant. Anyway, thanks for every word you post , at least you cared and shared..Emotion: big smileEmotion: big smileEmotion: big smile
Please, do not get me wrong, Sweet desert. I do not hate the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (though I do not like the way that its government rules, but come on, I do hate what Iran's government does with its people; so that's not an offence, it's just criticizing), its people, and its religion. Actually, I'm a Muslim myself. Just I believe in a dynamic religion as I explained. The society has changed a lot over the past 14 hundred years, don't you think so? And so the people's needs and their mind. So, for example, it's time for a Muslim man to consider his wife as equal to himself in all aspects of life. Do not get me wrong again, I do not mean the kind of rights that the feminists are after. Just the basic humane ones, like the right to vote, to cosider a female as equal as himself considering blood money, ... Don't you agree with me that God does not distinguish His beloved creatures by their sex, but by their faith and how they acted in the world?

Anyway, I'm going home for about a week, but I wanted to answer you here and make things clear, hopefully. I hope that you start a new thread about this controversial topic by the time I get back. There are lots of things to discuss, actually lots of questions in my mind, that I hope that I can share with you. (If you do not consider them as offence, of course!) Emotion: wink

Take care,
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Dear Adomi, I've seen another production of Shakspeare with A Pacino on the cast, I think King Henry the Forth. The one that the king has a hunchback half-brother. The style of the movie is different, the cast goes to London, to Shakspeasres' house, they practise the scenes, and the play takes place in between these documentary scenes. Al Pacino was shining, as usual! Hope you watch it.
The Sweet Desert........I think that our discussion would serve as a reminder to all people to read their Holy books.....
Starting by ourselves
The Sweet Desert
Dear languagelover,

I think you hate the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, its people and religion , BUT, you're free to say whatever you like.

Dear TSD, Do you remember what I told you about patience? I think you've been a little hurry and you rush to a conclusion that appears to be wrong, about LanguageLover. She appears to be as muslim as you. (Unless muslims of Saudi are special.) I'm not trying to play the devil's advocate, but I really don't think your reaction would be appreciated by other muslims. Take your time before replying, and I think Islam preaches that, the best way to respond to an offense is forgiveness. I read in one of you guys call "Hadiths" that, the prophet(SAW) said: "Haste comes from the devil." So try and drive "Chaitan" away, before reacting to what you consider an offense

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Although my aunts call me the smart
Well, better learn how to earn that nickname, and honor your aunts, by really being smart, TSD. Besides, The best way to show your weakness to your enemy(LanguageLover isn't an enemy), is by reacting hurriedly.
thanks for every word you post , at least you cared and shared..Emotion: big smileEmotion: big smileEmotion: big smile
This is about English remember? I learned a lot from her post, and I hope you did too.

No offense meant The Sweet Desert. I just want you to remain as sweet as the desert is.

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LanguageLover
Actually, I'm a Muslim myself. Just I believe in a dynamic religion as I explained. The society has changed a lot over the past 14 hundred years, don't you think so? And so the people's needs and their mind. Muslim scholars say Quran is the book that fits any era, or period. Laws written in it are applicable, to any time, period, or era. May be They are wrong . I think that's one of the reason the Quran has never been altered, because its fits in all the eras. I read somewhere in that book that the Almighty said : " Are you (muslims) going to believe in one part of the book(The Quran), and misbelieve to another part?". I guess this verse is questionning your Islamicity. Are going to agree with the part of the Quran that meets your needs, and disprove the one that goes against your needs?

So, for example, it's time for a Muslim man to consider his wife as equal to himself in all aspects of life. Do not get me wrong again, I do not mean the kind of rights that the feminists are after. Just the basic humane ones, like the right to vote, to cosider a female as equal as himself considering blood money, ... Don't you agree with me that God does not distinguish His beloved creatures by their sex, but by their faith and how they acted in the world?
I totally agree with you on that LanguageLover, but I think your religion has given those rights to women and if you are Muslim, just abide by what your religion says. Human beings, especially males, have misinterpreted the words of the Quran, but I think they are going to account for that. Is it not what your book says?
I hope that you start a new thread about this controversial topic by the time I get back. There are lots of things to discuss, actually lots of questions in my mind, that I hope that I can share with you. (If you do not consider them as offence, of course!) Emotion: wink

Take care,
I'm looking forward to that too, and I'd like to join you in it..if of course you allow me.
LanguageLoverDear Adomi, I've seen another production of Shakspeare with A Pacino on the cast, I think King Henry the Forth. The one that the king has a hunchback half-brother. The style of the movie is different, the cast goes to London, to Shakspeasres' house, they practise the scenes, and the play takes place in between these documentary scenes. Al Pacino was shining, as usual! Hope you watch it.
Thanks LanguageLover. I'll look it up too in the market. I didn't find "The Merchant of Venice " yet. But I'm still looking. Hope you enjoy your stay at home.
Dear adomi,

Thanks for the precious advice you gave me, really appreciate it....Emotion: big smileEmotion: big smileEmotion: smile
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Hello, Sweet Desert, Adomi, Language Lover and everybody else who is reading this thread but doesn't reply. In fact, you raised a very controversial subject, and nobody has a unique opinion. I'm not of your religion, but I respect all faiths because originally, religion has an aim of protecting people, and not doing them harm. However, I agree that instead of giving freedom to people, religion restrains them, because they have to do what they don't like or want (sometimes) and the promised freedom is only a symbol, some abstract thing you can find in yourself.

Nowadays many Islamic women have an opportunity to get a higher education and to work. That's normal, but if we turn from this sphere to private life, the situation is very different. I guess Muslem women who at the age of 40 are still virgins are very unhappy, even more than in Europe, because Europeans can always have some excuse: career and the like (not to say that in Europe and America, such situations are just impossible). I wonder how is situation with violence in families: do husbands have a right to beat their wives as a punishment for something?
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