Pronunciation help

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Ariel Alonzo Medina V?zquez:
Hi folks,
I have a doubt, What is the correct way to pronounce 'age'?

I have heard people to say the final syllable like the first syllable of 'cheap', but according to dictionary it must sound like the first syllable of 'just'.
Could you help me?
Thanks in advance
Ariel Medina
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Mxsmanic:
I have a doubt, What is the correct way to pronounce 'age'?

/eIdZ/
I have heard people to say the final syllable like the first syllable of 'cheap', but according to dictionary it must sound like the first syllable of 'just'.

There's only one syllable; you must mean the final segment. The final segment is a combination of d + Z (this latter sound is the sound of 's' in measure or leisure). The same segment is heard in countless other English words: judge, edge, jail, June, major, etc.

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Ariel Alonzo Medina V?zquez:
Thanks for replying,
I am according with you but, Then is wrong to pronounce the final segment as the first sound of 'cheap' or 'china' (/tS/)?

A part of American people pronounce it so.
Regards
Ariel
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Einde O'Callaghan:
/eIdZ/ There's only one syllable; you must mean the final ... countless other English words: judge, edge, jail, June, major, etc.

Thanks for replying, I am according with you but, Then is wrong to pronounce the final segment as the first sound of 'cheap' or 'china' (/tS/)? A part of American people pronounce it so.

The /tS/ pronunciation is the only correct one, but in connected speech sounds at the beginning or end of words may be affected by the preceding or succeeding sound. This is particularly so with voiced and unvoiced consonants, which is what you're talking about here.

As a native speaker who has heard a wide variety of American accents over the decades I've never noticed the phenomenon you describe.

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Mxsmanic:
I am according with you but, Then is wrong to pronounce the final segment as the first sound of 'cheap' or 'china' (/tS/)?

Yes. The /tS/ is different from /dZ/. They are articulated in the same way, but the /tS/ sound is produced without vibration of the vocal cords (voiceless consonants), whereas the /dZ/ is produced with vibration of the vocal cords (voiced consonants). In English this difference is phonemic, so if you say one in place of the other, you completely change the meaning of an utterance. Compare:
cheap /tSi:p/ - Jeep /dZi:p/
etch /EtS/ - edge /EdZ/
recheck /ritSEk/ - reject /ridZEkt/
A part of American people pronounce it so.

Only in the presence of a foreign accent. It's a pretty serious departure from correct pronunciation to confuse /tS/ and /dZ/, as there are many minimal pairs involving these two phonemes.

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Ariel Alonzo Medina V?zquez:
Thanks for replying, I am according with you but, Then ... 'china' (/tS/)? A part of American people pronounce it so.

The /tS/ pronunciation is the only correct one, but in connected speech sounds at the beginning or end of words ... heard a wide variety of American accents over the decades I've never noticed the phenomenon you describe. Regards, Einde O'Callaghan

Thanks Einde O'Callaghan,
Excuse me, you say the only correct manner to pronounce it is with the final sound /tS/, though I think the same that Mxsmanic, I mean, the correct manner is with the final sound /dZ/ (every dictionary shows it).
Why do you think you are right?
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Ariel Alonzo Medina V?zquez:
Thanks Mxsmanic,
I am cleared now.
Regards,
Ariel Medina
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mUs1Ka:
Thanks Einde O'Callaghan, Excuse me, you say the only correct manner to pronounce it is with the final sound /tS/, though I think the same that Mxsmanic, I mean, the correct manner is with the final sound /dZ/ (every dictionary shows it).

I think Einde just typed the wrong letters. /dZ/ is the only correct pronunciation and I'm sure he agrees with you.

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Mxsmanic:
Excuse me, you say the only correct manner to pronounce it is with the final sound /tS/, though I think the same that Mxsmanic, I mean, the correct manner is with the final sound /dZ/ (every dictionary shows it).

Which word are you talking about? Words such as match and itch end in /tS/; words such as edge and sludge end in /dZ/.

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