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first point : I am here to learn English <:o) ,

second point : so help me please . and don,t loughing on me Emotion: crying

Third point: how are you guys ? Emotion: smile

question :

you talk about which Islam ?!

desert Islam , that belong to gulf country ?

or other kind of Islam which belong to the other world !

I am from that kingdom for humanity, humanity ? I don't think that! , it's in the way to humanity O.K we agree with the best king for our kingdom now Abdullah . let's say it . there is so many confuse idea in this topic , and every one here talk from his mind directly , which tells bad thing about the writers here or the member if you don't mind! .

So to know what I mean by desert Islam just try answered this question : how it can be in any religion in world driving the car is ( haram = the god prevent women from driving the car ! )

It's more deeper than what we think about it , there is black Islam and other color Islam , black Islam we talks about it now , I will give you one example to understand this hole we walk around it with out touching it !

There is one girl from my country here , do you now what should she wear before she going out ! , or what should happen if she thought (just thought) there is no need for what she wear , what will religious police will do , another example , if the Muslim wont to change his religious what the ( share,a ) forward for him ! , it will cut his head!

They think the hadeeth still like the prophet says and its his word still to these moment with out changing, believe or don't believe the hadeeth take away from mouth to mouth with out writing for 150 years, until they think : we should write it guys !

Is I tell you some thing this week it will change little bet next week , 150 years !

At the end there is so many kind for Islam , the worst kink that we talk about it here !

So don't waste your time and other member time talking about empty half of cup/islam!!

I am sorry if some thing strange in my word , and I hope my idea clear to all .
Desert Lordfirst point : I am here to learn English <:o) ,

second point : so help me please . and don,t loughing on me Emotion: crying

Third point: how are you guys ? Emotion: smile

question :

you talk about which Islam ?!

desert Islam , that belong to gulf country ?

or other kind of Islam which belong to the other world !

I am from that kingdom for humanity, humanity ? I don't think that! , it's in the way to humanity O.K we agree with the best king for our kingdom now Abdullah . let's say it . there is so many confuse idea in this topic , and every one here talk from his mind directly , which tells bad thing about the writers here or the member if you don't mind! .

So to know what I mean by desert Islam just try answered this question : how it can be in any religion in world driving the car is ( haram = the god prevent women from driving the car ! )

It's more deeper than what we think about it , there is black Islam and other color Islam , black Islam we talks about it now , I will give you one example to understand this hole we walk around it with out touching it !

There is one girl from my country here , do you now what should she wear before she going out ! , or what should happen if she thought (just thought) there is no need for what she wear , what will religious police will do , another example , if the Muslim wont to change his religious what the ( share,a ) forward for him ! , it will cut his head!

They think the hadeeth still like the prophet says and its his word still to these moment with out changing, believe or don't believe the hadeeth take away from mouth to mouth with out writing for 150 years, until they think : we should write it guys !

Is I tell you some thing this week it will change little bet next week , 150 years !

At the end there is so many kind for Islam , the worst kink that we talk about it here !

So don't waste your time and other member time talking about empty half of cup/islam!!

I am sorry if some thing strange in my word , and I hope my idea clear to all .

I protest against this bad talk.When you many lies.I refuse offend any religion.You must talk in apolite way .Who tells you that driving car is prevented in islam.,I can drive car and my mother too,she has her driving licene.

Do not fool members I do not allow you to say (black Islam,color Islam , cup/islam....)

The hadeeth that you talk about badly equalls to Bible and the instructions of Jesus.So why christians respect what jesus said until now and forever?

cuz they belive in our God and they respect all his messengers and so do Islam and muslims.

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I don't believe in religions. I seems suspicious of everything. I presume the reason is that I am prudent to everything. I am afraid of making any mistakes. From my point of view, any religions are mysterious. There are different versions of various religions. For instance, In Da Vin Ci Code, people are debating weather the son of God: Jasus Crist get married or not. What I have been wandering is that some people devoted to their religions. I read an article discussing the Islamic women wear headkerchief, which cause my recall one documentary on Islamic headscarf. For me, wearing it is acceptable, although it is impossible for me to do like that. The documentary defict headkerchief in European country. As we all known, a vas number of Islamic people immigrate to U.K and U.S.A. At present, the second and third generation of Islamic inhabitants are everywhere in that two countries. Part of Islamic successors choose to be faithful to their belief. For famale, once you choose the Islam, you will be confronted with the other choose: headkerchief. However, it looks weird in European countries to wear it, especially the black one. We konw, the black makes us frightened and scared sometimes. When a girl put on the long dark coat which can hide your firmly from neck to feet and a black headscarf, it seems to refuse you to be close to them.
Hi to all of you and thank you all for your replies... Levia, thanks for your reply, however, I have a comment... I believe that wearing black or anyother color concerns only the person who is wearing it... I do not judge people based on the colors they wear or certain type of dress code to reveal their affiliation to this or that belief. I believe in freedom of expression that is to include also what one wears or not wears! Emotion: smile I was a suspicious person myself, until I started to read about religion and was convinced of what I was reading... it took long years though to reach that level of let's say "spiritual tranquility". I believe in respecting religions and all of God's messengers/prophets including Jesus as one of the many prophets sent by God to mankind.

Thanks again to all of you who replied to me on this "sensitive" issue and hope no one gets offended when we talk about Islam or other religions.

Cheers!
Miss_muslimaI protest against this bad talk.When you many lies.I refuse offend any religion.You must talk in apolite way .Who tells you that driving car is prevented in islam.,I can drive car and my mother too,she has her driving licene.

Do not fool members I do not allow you to say (black Islam,color Islam , cup/islam....)

The hadeeth that you talk about badly equalls to Bible and the instructions of Jesus.So why christians respect what jesus said until now and forever?

cuz they belive in our God and they respect all his messengers and so do Islam and muslims.

I am really sorry to take you and others far away from the goal or target for us here.

First lesson: what did Mr. Desert lord mean by black Islam?

That kind of Islam which miss Muslim talk during it ! , she believes that all the world will go to hill , only Muslim will live in paradise after we die , and who want to change his religion to Islam , this action from him is acceptable but if he or any Muslim want to change to other religion , he must die . And they in Egypt all of them believe this specific point. Who want to change his Islam should be killed, so I don’t think who's thinking like that respect any religion even if you Christian or Jews.

Second lesson: what did Mr. Desert lord mean by "god prevents women from driving"?

Are you certain you are still good Muslim when you driving the car?!

I don’t think that, ask Saudi mufti, and he is great man in Islam, ask Saudi girls, notice that we have here one girl from Saudi in this topic ask her. And don’t browsing your self that are the "all Islam". If you do some thing that’s mean its from black Islam or not !

Third lesson: what did Mr. desert lord mean by hadeeth and badly talk about it?!

I want to see some thing, Miss_muslima is good girl in her life and I met so many religious men and girl like this , they are honest with you like any religious in all religion , I was so happy to live with them . but the problem they never respect any other religion . back to first point to under stand this black kind of Islam ! .

Who said there is deference between hadeeth and bible even qur,an and I don’t think you now what she,at say about it?!Emotion: smile

Who choose to be religious in any religion, to protect him self from being animal in his sexual life , to have respect from his society . and because all the society compacting him to be complete . instead of searching for good way to live this life , being strong , using his mind and answering question to respect his mind also , they choose the shortest way for all that , and go to mosque or church ! .

They always said they do it for god, but Sigmund Freud didn’t say that !

all of us are weak and feared from our family , country , government , religious people if we ask any question like : our religion true , is it ?!

I am talking about meddle east county like Saudi Arabia. they will kill you immediately before human rights here about you !

It is more than what we can talk about it now …. Lets see whats happen in the future .

Best regard

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Hi Desert Lord:

Mush said in your posts are off this topic and should be deleted according to the policy of this forum but answers should be made.

You said:" black Islam, desert Islam, other color Islam"

All these notions are very new to me. I am not a scholar indeed but I always try to learn more and more about many things in my life. As far as I know there's only one Islam. Distributing Islam as such needs a genuine evidence or else that it be a dangerous claim. So if you have got confidential sources proving such a claim plz provide me with some. .

" there is so many confuse idea in this topic , and every one here talk from his mind directly , which tells bad thing about the writers here or the member if you don't mind! . " I don't know where you got this confusion from. This topic is about (why Moslem women cannot marry non-Moslems men?) And it's classified as resolved. References to the Qur'an were needed and they were mentioned earlier.

You talked as well about driving a car by woman. I believe this is purely an internal matter. Notice that in many Muslim countries driving is allowed. So Islam has nothing to do with it. And there are many complexities about this topic.

" now what should she wear before she going out ! , or what should happen if she thought (just thought) there is no need for what she wear , what will religious police will do" uh you mean Hijab!!. As a Saudi Muslim woman, I proudly wear the Hijab. It's not because religious police as you call them but purely out of my deep-rooted belief in the importance of obeying Allah first and that nothing in the Qur'an has no reason. The One who created you undoubtedly know the best of His own creatures. For further info look at Chapter 24 verse 31 in the Qur'an. As for apostasy in Islam, we discussed the topic in the controversial subjects section. Go there and see yourself.

You said:" They think the hadeeth still like the prophet says and its his word still to these moment with out changing, believe or don't believe the hadeeth take away from mouth to mouth with out writing for 150 years, until they think : we should write it guys !" hmmmm have you ever heard about the science of "Asaneed" (Sorry for writing it in Arabic because I don't know the English equivalent of it). In Chapter 54 verse 3 " Nor does he speak out of desire" referring to the prophet and the prophet told that any one who lies deliberately on him and say things he didn't say, he'll have a position in the hell. It's not the effort of one person and the matter is not" we should write it guys". It's a long & hard effort and many people devoted their lifetime for studying hadeeths in all their respects. Libraries are full of their books. No one denies there were many hadeeths that were not said by the prophet but many books are written to clarify their weakness and incredibility. And I don't know if your proposition were stemed from a hard work and study of these books from your own part!!! if this is the case, tell how to prove it. Please note that I brought verses from the Qur'an not sayings from Hadeeths (which you seem you refuse). I always tries to be more religiously commited and I don't see any contradiction in respecting other's beliefs in Islam.I have many non-Moslem friends. I respect them as well as they respect me.

Finally you have your own points which I respect but Islam doesn't need human rights watch to teach which is wrong and which is right. Islam is a complete way of life which teaches us as Muslims what 's right and what is wrong. And for your frequent mentioning of Saudi Arabia, I don't know what part it plays in this topic of Islam.And why do you relate it with this topic?. Islam is for all people and it's universial not for Saudis only. And when Saudis are doning a certain thing, it doesn't mean it's a typical rule in Islam all Muslims should follow. I love my country to the depth and wish the best for it and I think its goodness starts from the goodness of its people. From this point I try to play a constructive part in my own country. If you want to enter in a debate this is not the section specialized for it. And I am already out of it 'cause I am not interested to join a fight. I state what I believe and you state what you believe. And that is it.

I hope you got my point and wish you all the best in learning English.

My Deepest Regards,

(P.S I have never started any topic about Islam because I feel so responsible of my own words and because I believe that if any one intends to learn Islam, he/she should look themselves for other sites than this one. All my posts are intended to defend Islam and clarify the misconceptions about it. Furthermore no offence is intended by myself. And if this happens unknowingly from my part, I apologise in advance)
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Finally you have your own points which I respect but Islam doesn't need human rights watch to teach which is wrong and which is right.

Thanks for all , some point only , you said Islam is complete life first , second you take one ayah from qour,an and you didn’t answer my question about sha,at says about it and qour,an Fatima which are stolen by Omer , I didn’t believe this but I think when you talk about hadeeth scholar you should remember it , in the same time you should remember that all the scholar in Saudi Arabia see what do you do here and say it ( haram ) that you talks with boy , and you most not speak with them ( Saudi Islam say that ) during forums or not you will see hell and touch it depending on your Islam now !! , and your hijap not because you proud , because he is the last chance for you if you want to live in this country !! , please don’t tell me the alone choice is your choice ! , the government depending on the black Islam or they call it ( wahabee ) . they arresting the women don’t wear hijap even if its non Muslim , and the beauty girl most be proud of it because she can't think of any other solution for her problem (being women in black Islamic country !)

Last thing , when scholar talk and entering the god and qur,an in there story its never been a internal matter , when religious man said who do this will go to hell and who do that will visit paradise ! , and we talk about makkah mufti , the center for all Muslim in the world . so there is nothing called internal matter ! , and we didn’t talk about one man only we talk about the all religious men in Saudi Arabia , the all religion establishment say that. what is this stupid details ! , is our god like this ? !! burning the women how touch car . also what about all the people here in this forum black Islam said they will live in the hell forever and ever because they are non Muslim! , and your hadeeth said every 1000 men and women, 1 in the paradise and 999 in the hell !! do you believe this direful thing they say it about god in your hadeeth even cutthroat or felon never do this , I now you think ( oh how it can be ! , all the scholar say that .. I should believe ! ) don’t forget all the black and blood Islam scholar in your country say : the best die is tat die in the fighting(jihad) , and remember in the same time how your prophet die , where , and last human see him and talk to him before he died , I think you are young girl , and every time you tell your self : there is million and million of scholar before me think of that , just liberating your mind .

Best regard

Hi Desert Lord,

I always try to stick to the idea "no matter what others think of you what really matters is what you think of yourself". But I think I should reveal something about myself. I've visited some countries and two of my friends are living abroad, one in Engand the other in Australia. We always wear the Hijab with pride and dignity. No one forces us to do what we do because we firmly believe that God is not in Saudi only.I know best how the women of my country do feel about many things. If there are some girls who feel the same way you do, there are definitely the minority. Indeed Hijab's my best choice.

It's crystal clear that you just write your own prepositions about each topic depending on no sources. You don't have to change them. And I don't have to tell you what Islam says about each topic. Because if you're really interested, you have to look for the answers yourself. You are adult enough to know the best way of learning. And I'm not waiting for scholars to think instead of me, I think and find the answers in the Qur'an. Oh guess what? my father ,my uncles and my brothers see what I write here, they encourage me!!!

You said (your country, your prophet) that in fact answers much questions about you.
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Desert Lord
Mythical Lady
Finally you have your own points which I respect but Islam doesn't need human rights watch to teach which is wrong and which is right.

Thanks for all , some point only , you said Islam is complete life first , second you take one ayah from qour,an and you didn’t answer my question about sha,at says about it and qour,an Fatima which are stolen by Omer , I didn’t believe this but I think when you talk about hadeeth scholar you should remember it , in the same time you should remember that all the scholar in Saudi Arabia see what do you do here and say it ( haram ) that you talks with boy , and you most not speak with them ( Saudi Islam say that ) during forums or not you will see hell and touch it depending on your Islam now !! , and your hijap not because you proud , because he is the last chance for you if you want to live in this country !! , please don’t tell me the alone choice is your choice ! , the government depending on the black Islam or they call it ( wahabee ) . they arresting the women don’t wear hijap even if its non Muslim , and the beauty girl most be proud of it because she can't think of any other solution for her problem (being women in black Islamic country !)

Last thing , when scholar talk and entering the god and qur,an in there story its never been a internal matter , when religious man said who do this will go to hell and who do that will visit paradise ! , and we talk about makkah mufti , the center for all Muslim in the world . so there is nothing called internal matter ! , and we didn’t talk about one man only we talk about the all religious men in Saudi Arabia , the all religion establishment say that. what is this stupid details ! , is our god like this ? !! burning the women how touch car . also what about all the people here in this forum black Islam said they will live in the hell forever and ever because they are non Muslim! , and your hadeeth said every 1000 men and women, 1 in the paradise and 999 in the hell !! do you believe this direful thing they say it about god in your hadeeth even cutthroat or felon never do this , I now you think ( oh how it can be ! , all the scholar say that .. I should believe ! ) don’t forget all the black and blood Islam scholar in your country say : the best die is tat die in the fighting(jihad) , and remember in the same time how your prophet die , where , and last human see him and talk to him before he died , I think you are young girl , and every time you tell your self : there is million and million of scholar before me think of that , just liberating your mind .

Best regard

hey man im a muslim and to say the truth i burst out laughing when u were tlaking about my religon, sorry but this is teh first time i hear these stuffs, btw my religon don't say that all non mulsims won't go to hevean i don't know where did u get that besides also christians consider those who don't believe that jesus is god's son won't go to hevean either

and driving a car is not haram i drive a car myself and this is the first time i hear that a scholar really did say that it is haram (sounds so funny indeed)

another point translating jihad as fighting is totalloy wrogn u just sound so ignorant about that part mr if u really know what jihad is jihad means ("to exert utmost effort, to strive, struggle.challenge) jihad is:

  • Jihad of the heart/soul (jihad bin nafs/qalb) is an inner struggle of good against evil in the mind, through concepts such as tawhid .
  • Jihad by the tongue (jihad bil lisan) is a struggle of good against evil waged by writing and speech, such as in the form of dawah (proselytizing), Khutbas (sermons), et al. It is one weapon in the jihadi arsenal.
  • Jihad by the pen and knowledge (jihad bil qalam/ilm) is a struggle for good against evil through scholarly study of Islam, ijtihad (legal reasoning), and through sciences (such as medical sciences).
  • Jihad by the hand (jihad bil yad) refers to a struggle of good against evil waged by actions or with one's wealth, such as going on the Hajj pilgrimage (seen as the best jihad for women), taking care of elderly parents, providing funding for jihad, political activity for furthering the cause of Islam , stopping evil by force, espionage , and the penetration of Western universities by salafi Islamic ideology, in numerous Middle East Studies departments funded by Saudi Arabia.


  • peace:D
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