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Hi Jim,

Thank you for your reply and advices.

CalifJimThe -ing form is much more idiomatic than the infinitive as the subject of a sentence.
It's true! I've read it somwhere. It's lack of practice.Emotion: embarrassed

Best,

TS
Thinking SpainThank you for your reply and --advices-- advice.
Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Thinking SpainIt's true! I've read it somwhere.
You've read it somewhere? Well, that settles it! It mustbe true! Emotion: big smile

CJ
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Hi Jim,
CalifJimNevertheless, this version is acceptable as a nearly literal transcription of what was said, which may be all that is really necessary.
Thank you. As always you've written with great precision.Emotion: nodding

Regards,

TS
CalifJimadvice
Right! It's uncountable.Emotion: embarrassed
CalifJimWell, that settles it! It must be true!
Very funny. I didn't mean it. What I meant was that your commentary brought it into (in) my memory.

Don't be mean!Emotion: shake

Take care

TS
Thinking SpainHi sbolton,
Thanks for you reply.
'I have to use 'He had got' because it is British.

Best,
TS
Well, TS, it doesn't matter it refers to the British "have got".

In Britain, when they use "have/has got" it means "to possess" ("have" in AmEn).

But, on both sides of the Atlantic, the simple past (even for indirect speech) is "had".

For instance:

She said. "I've got two children" --> She said she had two children.

"I've got to go", he said --> He said he had to go.

So, as you can see, "had got" is not the indirect version of "have got" or "has got" when used in the Present Tense for "have" (possess, obligation, etc).

However, check this:

She said, "I've just got the news" (received) --> She said she had just got the news.

"Have got" in the sentence above is not the equivalent of "have" (possess, obligation, etc) in AmEn, but the Present Perfect of AmEn "have gotten".

Cheers,

RENAN
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Hi Renan,

That's quite an explanation I have here. Thank YOU very much!Emotion: smile

Best,

TS
renan torres-riveroBut, on both sides of the Atlantic, the simple past (even for indirect speech) is "had".
Well, ... not exclusively. The British, and sometimes even the Americans, use the 'had got' version for the past, though relatively rarely. Palmer (The English Verb) points out something interesting about it, though. He writes, "The HAVE forms of HAVE GOT almost always occur as weak forms (apostrophe, -'ve, -'s, -'d in writing)." And he gives the example, Mary'd got a pretty face.

With that in mind, I tried finding some examples of "he'd got" using Google. I'd estimate that more than 95% of the hits were the past perfect (dynamic) use of "he'd got", but I did find quite a few examples where "he'd got" was equivalent to stative "he had". Here are some of them.

He'd got a bright blue sock on.

His opening line to me was that he'd got a great database and wanted to market to it.

He'd got a crest on his head and anklets on his feet. (describing a falcon)

He'd got a pocket full of money and he said he was going to win ...
He mentioned that, well, he'd got a good way of building a resonator for this ...

Les never kept in touch and it wasn't until Greg turned up in Weatherfield in April 1998 that Les even knew he'd got a son.
It turned out he'd got a few of my books at home and when he learned I was coming, got his mum to bring them in. (from a .uk site)
He'd got a great empathy with sick people. (from a .uk site)

Sinclair reckoned that he'd got a claim to it. (from The Golden Web by E. Phillips Oppenheim)
... when did I iver make objections to a man, because he'd got a mole on his face? (from The Mill on the Floss by George Eliot)
He was a very nice man and he was a wonderful swimmer too. He'd got a broad pair of shoulders and I've seen him swimming ... (from The Housemasters by John Gooch)
... 'twas well he'd got the sense to see the funny side of things. (from Wilfrid Wilson Gibson by Robert Frost - an American)
... he was glad to think he'd got a son who, even facing bloody death, would see the little joke about the crockery and chuckle, as he charged. (also Frost, from the same poem)

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I think Palmer must be right about the predominance of the apostrophe form because I found hardly any examples of stative had got in the uncontracted form "he had got".

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In my searches, I also came across a post in another forum where a native speaker of British English confirmed that 'had got' can be used as the past of 'has got'.

http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/ask-teacher/10509-had-got-hadnt-got-instead-didnt-have.html

I hope you find all this as interesting and strange as I did. Emotion: smile

CJ
Hi Jim,

I can only say, 'No further questions at this point. Impeccable![Y]

Best,

TS
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