Now that the recently-senile and always-bungling old pope is at last gone, perhaps the Catholic Church can wake up to some of the crises in the world instead of worrying about who's using contraceptives and whatever other ancient concerns it, alone, has. Since JP II packed the court with like-thinking cronies of his, I doubt if the Church will take on its true responsibilities as a wealthy and influential world power, but anything is possible.
First on the agenda should be whatever it takes to greatly improve relations between the Muslims and the Christians, people the Muslims see as representative of the western world, to whatever extent that is true. The new pope and let's hope he is a true humanitarian, not someone who goes around kissing the earth for a show must emphasize people first, not ritual or dogma, regardless of their beliefs and practices or whether they are Islamic, Jewish, Buddhist, agonistic, atheist, Christian, or whatever.
At the same time, the Church must forget about birth control and focus on the hungry of the world: one obvious way you do that is to encourage small family sizes duh as China has been doing for years, not especially in Africa and South America where the Church has much influence over the uneducated masses humongous families, as the policies of the recent jackass of a pope did.
This is taken from a New Times article of today the online edition, if that makes any difference:
The Roman Catholic Church is, more than ever, a global institution with global problems. With more than one billion members, amounting to half the world's Christians and 17 percent of the world's population, it is the largest and wealthiest religious or charitable institution on the planet.
But the biggest concerns of the new century - the turmoil within the Muslim world and the explosive shift of economic power to India and China - did not draw the focus of John Paul. As he proved, the church's leader is capable of changing the course of history. But the church has to make choices.
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Now that the recently-senile and always-bungling old pope is at last gone, perhaps the Catholic Church can wake up to ... if the Church will take on its true responsibilities as a wealthy and influential world power, but anything is possible.

Pope John Paul II has passed away. The pontificate, however, is still very much alive. In a month or so, another man will be appointed to the position by God. You also have an opinion formulated on a partial understanding of Catholic teaching against sexual sin. Contraception, fornication, homosexual actions, oral sex, sodomy, abortion are all actions the Church teaches against. If the world understood these in their whole and adopted them, this world would be a much better place, free from sexually transmitted diseases, broken families, and other modern complications ripping this international culture apart. You do forget the political accomplishments of Pope John Paul II. In your ignorance, you fail to recognize what a great leader he was and what he has done for this world.
First on the agenda should be whatever it takes to greatly improve relations between the Muslims and the Christians, people the Muslims see as representative of the western world, to whatever extent that is true.

Pope John Paul II spent much time building strong relations between the Christian and Muslim world. Learn more.
The new pope and let's hope he is a true humanitarian, not someone who goes around kissing the earth ... or dogma, regardless of their beliefs and practices or whether they are Islamic, Jewish, Buddhist, agonistic, atheist, Christian, or whatever.

Pope John Paul II taught that all people of all walks of faith deserve respect for they are in search of the truth. He didn't kiss the earth for show. He was a deeply spiritual man, a man of prayer. Did you know that he went to confession every day? He had a passion for inspiring faith in the next generation of Catholics, establishing WYD and calling the young Catholics to regain their faith. It is because of his efforts that there is a large movement of young Catholics between the ages of 16 and 30 to return to the Church. Don't believe me? Look at the expanding population of active Catholic university students nation-wide. Each university with an established Catholic Center is growing four-fold. Learn more.
At the same time, the Church must forget about birth control and focus on the hungry of the world: one ... much influence over the uneducated masses humongous families, as the policies of the recent jackass of a pope did.[/nq]China has been encouraging small families by forbidding people from having children. World hunger isn't caused by procreation. Encouraging abandonment of artificial contraception isn't enough, however. It isn't pick one teaching and ignore the other. The Catholic Church teaches against artificial contraception and for chastity. Natural Family Planning is a method of avoiding procreation by abstaining from sexual intercourse with ones wife during her period of fertility.

It involves abstaining from sex for about two weeks out of every month. It isn't the rhythm method, mind you. The weathy nations grow enough food to feed the enitre world twice over. You know what happens to that food, though? Most of it is burnt. Farmers burn their crops rather than harvest them in order to save money. What is worse is that the government of the United States endorses farmers to do so. The Holy See participates much in peace negotiations.

Hunger will never be solved until war is abandoned. Pope John Paul II was a man of peace, encouraging it in all things. Large families weren't simply a result of lacking education. What you fail to understand is that, though artificial contraception is taught against, it isn't a concept that arises in Roman Catholic mass. I have been to hundreds of Roman Catholic masses all throughout my travels. Never before have I heard a homily teaching against artificial contraception.

You act as though this policy is shoved down their throats. It isn't. In their capacity, the husband and wife have the understanding that if they have children, they must pay for the children. What you fail to realize is that a child isn't an economic burden in these regions, since child labor is still very much in effect. A child can work, whether at home or in a factory. You act as though they are starving because they have large families. For one, the large family is their own fault.

The husband chosing to have sexual relations with his wife knowing that she could become pregnant. Two) There is a lack of food in the region in general (even small families are hungry ones). Three) The Church doesn't actively teach against artificial contraception. I know dozens of Catholics from these areas. I have asked them if it is actively taught. It isn't.
This is taken from a New Times article of today the online edition, if that makes any difference: The ... and 17 percent of the world's population, it is the largest and wealthiest religious or charitable institution on the planet.

Largest, yes. Wealthiest, yes. As a whole unit, however, its wealth isn't one lump sum. When parishoners give money to their church, it doesn't go into the Holy See bank account. It goes to the parish or to the diocese to fund programs and pay bills. The parishoners keep the parish alive. Most of what the Church has is because of the generosity of all Catholics. Still, however, it has no sound political power since it has no army. It has no seat in international forums. Rather, the Pope exercises influence via letters and personal meetings with world leaders in hopes of inspiring change through virtue and prayer.
But the biggest concerns of the new century - the turmoil within the Muslim world and the explosive shift of ... he proved, the church's leader is capable of changing the course of history. But the church has to make choices.[/nq]Pope John Paul II was deeply concerned with the issue of world peace. He was also concerned with the well being of all 1 billion Catholics in the world and their physical and spiritual welfare. He was a man of generosity and courage. He was a theologian, a scholar... he truly was the people's Pope. If you ever had the chance to meet him, you would know that and hold nothing against him. There is only so much one man can do. Every non-Catholic who speaks against John Paul II expect him to excede human capabilities.

He wakes up in the morning, dedicates himself to his duties as bishop of Rome, partakes in mass, personal prayer, confession, 3 meals a day, personal time (he has to shower and go the bathroom), travelling, meetings for government issues, holding audience, and on top of this learning and reading about world activities and formulating a plan on confronting them. Let's break this down:
7 hours of sleep
1 hour of personal time
1 hour for meals
1 hour for masshalf an hour for confess
two and a half for personal prayer

13 hours so far..

audience: 1 hour
transporation: 2 hours (the man took a while to get somewhere for obvious reasons)

16 hours so far

Meetings for church duties: 2 hours
18 hours.

This leaves 6 more hours in the day... what would you like him to do with these six hours? He has duties as bishop of Rome, for that is what his position is. On top of that, he has a duty to inspiring God's teachings to the international populus of the Roman Catholic Church. Statesman and politician seems to be worked in there as well to the best of his ability. I think he did a great job considering his shortage of time... I mean look at any world leader who dedicates their days to politics... you expect a holy man to have as much time to influence the political world?
I am curious to hear your response... maybe you need to learn more before you give it. I would encourage you to study the role of the pontiff in the daily function of Church duties before you criticize him for his lack of involvement in every political problem that plagues this world. Are governments doing their part to end world hunger? No. Are governments doing their part to end world violence? No. Are governments doing their part to aid in the education and support of the common citizen? No.

Why, then, do you pass so much blame on a city-state of 722 workers and 50 clergy to step in and solve the issue? The Vatican has so much money... the biggest lie in the world. The Roman Catholic Church has, by far, the most flow in currency out of any world religion. Take that flow and divide it by 500,000... maybe then you will realize how the wealth is divided among individual parishes. You forget that unlike any other religion, the Roman Catholic Church as manifested in the Vatican City-State is a country of 1 billion which runs on an international flow of currency.

Let us end world hunger in that manner... forget all of the thousands of Catholic Charities working for that very purpose in this new age... villages and hospices all over the world dedicated to healing and learning. An average of 15% of all collected funds to charity, weekly free dinners in the vast majority of parishes all over the world, funding of soup kitchens, provision of poverty strucken families during holiday times, replenishment of food pantries, openings of shelters, countless prayers against world hunger and for peace and prosperity over all the world.

It seems to me as though the Catholic Church is doing a wonderful job. Look at what happened on Thusday when the pope died. International television witnessed the praying of the rosary for the first time in the history of our world. The Chinese government abandoned standard religious persecution and allowed Catholics to mourn and pray publicly. For the first time in decades, international terror-crime was at an all time low.
What else... oh yes... over 3 million youth have met in WYD conferences in the past 8 years. I think that is an underestimate. The pope encouraged the revitalization of young Catholics to keep all these charities alive and to step in and take over as our elderly Catholic brothers and sisters pass away.
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Charles, please don't crosspost this kind of thing to AUE and those religious NGs. While we've had only one response from that part of cyberspace so far and I hope it's the last one it was a waste of our bandwidth: a serious JPII apologist, something on the order of a woman I heard on CNN say that she was praying for JPII to recover because the Church needed him. Andthey gave JPII even more press on CNN than they gave Arafat. I don't know which of the two I'm happier to see dead and gone, so I'll just leave it at that.
There are just too many people who believe in the worth of all this mumbojumbo to go around gratuitously initiating conflict with them. I'm content to be reactive if they intrude on my privacy, but to invite the faithful to regurgitate their catechism in AUE is just a bit dangerous for the health of our stats.

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And pigs continue to fly into the black smoky hole over the Vatican.

My morals tell me that one who refused to encourage the use of condoms to prevent the scourge of Aids and millions of innocent human beings dying that horrendous death, is non more than a mindless blood-lusting tyrant masquerading in sheeps clothing!
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Now that the recently-senile and always-bungling old pope is at last gone, perhaps the Catholic Church can wake up to some of the crises in the world instead of worrying about who's using contraceptives and whatever other ancient concerns it, alone, has.

By demonstrating your irrational concern with anything Catholic, you merely affirm that it is the one true Church, and the one way to Heaven, but that you can't cut it when it comes to simple obedience.

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Pope John Paul II has passed away. The pontificate, however, ... elderly Catholic brothers and sisters pass away. Learn more. -RS

With respect. And pigs continue to fly into the black smoky hole over the Vatican. My morals tell me that ... human beings dying that horrendous death, is non more than a mindless blood-lusting tyrant masquerading in sheeps clothing! Learn more?

With all due respect, just accepting one part of a plan to end this pandemic is ignorant. The Catholic Church teaches a plan to end it for good. No artificial contraception. No fornication. If one is aware of the fact that he or she has this disease, do not engage in sexual intercourse at risk of spreading it to someone you love. Dedicate yourself to a life of celibacy and die in dignity, rather than with the guilt of passing it on to others. No homosexual acts. No sodomy. No pornography.If you accept only one part of the plan, it will not work. The teachings are either all or none. Attack it as a whole if you must, but do not say that in the whole that it doesn't plan on preventing STD's. If only men had sex with their wives and no one else and if people refrained from sexual intercourse who weren't married and also who knew they had the disease, it would stop. With proper education in third world nations, it would stop. Throwing condoms in their face will only slow it down temporarily.

Teaching them that it is a disease and it means death for them and their children will cut it off. The problem doesnt' exist in lack of condoms. That is like trying to stop a flooding boat with an empty bucket. Regardless of how fast you empty it out, it will still sink. Rather, the plan offered by the Roman Cathlolic Church is a mending kit for the wound in the boat to prevent the leaking at the source.
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With respect. And pigs continue to fly into the black ... a mindless blood-lusting tyrant masquerading in sheeps clothing! Learn more?

With all due respect, just accepting one part of a plan to end this pandemic is ignorant. The Catholic Church ... kit for the wound in the boat to prevent the leaking at the source. Learn more. Yes... learn more. -RS

Hmm... a great plan your implying here...encourage a few million or so to die
and perhaps we might just save the rest. So far this plan you speak of has deliverd
the African Aids holocost?? I doubt this plan, as do most experts on the subject.
PeterT
Now that the recently-senile and always-bungling old pope is at last gone, perhaps the Catholic Church can wake up to ... or dogma, regardless of their beliefs and practices or whether they are Islamic, Jewish, Buddhist, agonistic, atheist, Christian, or whatever.

The Catholic Church actually, in general enjoys good relations with the Islamic world and indeed with most of the world's religions, or rather I should say with the leaders of the world's religions since of course there are extremist elements in every religion.
At the same time, the Church must forget about birth control and focus on the hungry of the world: one ... much influence over the uneducated masses humongous families, as the policies of the recent jackass of a pope did.

The Church cannot and should not adopt China's policy. If birth control is part of the solution for hunger in the world, China's approach is not. Further we seem to accept it as basic fact that simply reducing family sizes will solve the problem. The problem is that simple solutions that seem obvious often are not the real solution. I think the church should examine its position on certain forms of Birth Control, but simply accepting the conventional wisdom because it is the "obvious" solution is in my mind just as wrong as simply rejecting it out of hand.
This is taken from a New Times article of today the online edition, if that makes any difference: The ... he proved, the church's leader is capable of changing the course of history. But the church has to make choices.

I think it would be wrong to say that the Pope did not focus on the Muslim world, but one has to remember that the Muslims are not part of his flock; he is not their leader. He could certainly advise but the Pope knows what America frequently forgets; westerners cannot force the Islamic world to change, it must change itself.

Bill
Now that the recently-senile and always-bungling old pope is at ... using contraceptives and whatever other ancient concerns it, alone, has.

By demonstrating your irrational concern with anything Catholic, you merely affirm that it is the one true Church, and the one way to Heaven, but that you can't cut it when it comes to simple obedience.

There are no gods and there is no heaven. Get real.
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