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Ben Zimmer filted:
You wanna see in-groupness, check out alt.folklore.urban some time. The regulars patrol AFU's borders from perpetual onslaughts of clue-deprived newbies ... and intentional mipsellings. A good sociolinguistic study of these shibboleths by Lara Hopkins used to be online, but it's disappeared.

Sounds like someone corrected an Austria-for-Australia reference (or was yours "voracity"?)...r
But I respect the right of anyone who wants to ... the necessity to ask for the meanings of esoteric abbreviations.

You wanna see in-groupness, check out alt.folklore.urban some time. The regulars patrol AFU's borders from perpetual onslaughts of clue-deprived newbies ... and intentional mipsellings. A good sociolinguistic study of these shibboleths by Lara Hopkins used to be online, but it's disappeared.

Aha, found it again:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~waawa/linguistics/speaking.pdf
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Ben Zimmer filted:

You wanna see in-groupness, check out alt.folklore.urban some time. The ... by Lara Hopkins used to be online, but it's disappeared.

Sounds like someone corrected an Austria-for-Australia reference (or was yours "voracity"?)...r

Hmm? I don't believe I've ever made the mistake of correcting a shibboleth over there, having lurked for years before posting regularly.

I have nothing against tendencies toward ingroupness amongst AFUers, or certain subsets of AUEers. If something in Usenet discourse is opaque to outsiders, a quick trip to Google Groups will usually illuminate it. And the ability (and curiosity) to do that sort of basic research should be a minimal criterion for participation in a group like AFU or AUE.
By the way, does anyone ever wonder why I write ... It smacks of inness (cliquishness), and I greatly dislike inness.

I thought you preferred the term "in-groupness".

I'll take your word for it. When you get to be my age you may find that your memory is fairly reliable as long as what you're trying to remember didn't happen more than ten minutes ago, or as long as it happened at least 30 years ago.

Okay, I see I covered the subject pretty well in accordance with the way I felt then and still feel. And yes, I still like "in-groupness", and "cliquishness" is still a close second. For some reason "inness" comes first to mind when I think about the subject, but I would replace it if I thought about it long enough.
But I respect the right of anyone who wants to ... the necessity to ask for the meanings of esoteric abbreviations.

You wanna see in-groupness, check out alt.folklore.urban some time.

No, thank you. Been there; done that. 'Nuff said.
Bob Cunningham filted:

Which do you suppose would annoy them most: Hungarian, Igbo, Amharic, Cantonese, Hebrew, ... ? They're all there, what there are of them.

Hausa, I think...doesn't it have clicks?...r

Admirer of Chinese traditions that I am, I find the sing-song of Chinese to be the most irritating, particularly when I'm stuck in a crowded train car next to a couple of female speakers of it, men having generally less strident voices than their female counterparts.* I'm sure I'd get used to it if I heard it often enough, as I quickly did with Japanese. It, for some reason, was never half as irritating to me.
* High frequency sound is more penetrating than low frequency sound. Could that be the reason?
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Evil-Eye Fleagle? CDB

That's Evil Eye Fleegle, although there are fairly reputable sources (IMDB) that go with your spelling. Anyway, http://www.lil-abner.com/other.html says it is Fleegle. There also seems to be some disagreement on how Joe Btfsplk's name is spelled.

Didn't the group agree a man's name is spelled the way he wants it spelled? I think it only fair we ask Joe what he prefers.
By the way, does anyone ever wonder why I write ... the necessity to ask for the meanings of esoteric abbreviations.

Me, I'd like it accessible only by full-fledged members having a sincere interest in food, English, and sheep, preferably in that order. (See the thread I started about the mess AUE is in. Getting better though, as someone here observed. I suppose crossposting does indeed go in cycles.)
Didn't some fellow go to the trouble of compiling a list of abbreviations, including "AmE", that are in common use in AUE?

Basically, I agree with Mr Cunningham. Inititialisms, abbreviations, and invented acronyms not universally understood are an abomination. AmE and BrE though are too handy to exclude from this group, realising its specialized, alleged purpose.
No, indeed - Basque, the mother of all languages, is inexplicably (and suspiciously) absent.

I guess Basque would stand a better chance if anyone knew who its mother or its brothers, sisters, sons, ... the mother of all languages. Ask any conservative, bible-thumping supporter of George W Bush and his wild-eyed gang of hawks.

Bible-thumping, yes, but don't people of his ilk also thump Jews as well? I doubt if the word Hebrew is something our boy Bush, the SOB, ever utters.
I'm sure Adam and Eve spoke Hebrew.

Yeah, but King James had them speaking English some time ago.
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(about annoying fellow bus riders with foreign-language sound files) By the way, this reminds me of the unsavory character in ... so ah think ah'll do it!" (I think I've mentioned that in AUE a time or three in past years.)

(Bob Cunningham said:)

Hausa, I think...doesn't it have clicks?...r

My mouse has clicks, but it doesn't annoy me.

Lucky you. Mine gets stuck on horizontal or vertical only, and I have to remove the cover and blow the cat hairs off the little ball.
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