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Stalin's half-man, half-ape super-warriors
CHRIS STEPHEN AND ALLAN HALL
THE Soviet dictator Josef Stalin ordered the creation of Planet of the Apes-style warriors by crossing humans with apes, according to recently uncovered secret documents.
Moscow archives show that in the mid-1920s Russia's top animal breeding scientist, Ilya Ivanov, was ordered to turn his skills from horse and animal work to the quest for a super-warrior.
According to Moscow newspapers, Stalin told the scientist: "I want a new invincible human being, insensitive to pain, resistant and indifferent about the quality of food they eat."
In 1926 the Politburo in Moscow passed the request to the Academy of Science with the order to build a "living war machine". The order came at a time when the Soviet Union was embarked on a crusade to turn the world upside down, with social engineering seen as a partner to industrialisation: new cities, architecture, and a new egalitarian society were being created.
The Soviet authorities were struggling to rebuild the Red Army after bruising wars.
And there was intense pressure to find a new labour force, particularly one that would not complain, with Russia about to embark on its first Five-Year Plan for fast-track industrialisation.
Mr Ivanov was highly regarded. He had established his reputation under the Tsar when in 1901 he established the world's first centre for the artificial insemination of racehorses.
Mr Ivanov's ideas were music to the ears of Soviet planners and in 1926 he was dispatched to West Africa with $200,000 to conduct his first experiment in impregnating chimpanzees.
Meanwhile, a centre for the experiments was set up in Georgia - Stalin's birthplace - for the apes to be raised.
Mr Ivanov's experiments, unsurprisingly from what we now know, were a total failure. He returned to the Soviet Union, only to see experiments in Georgia to use monkey sperm in human volunteers similarly fail.

A final attempt to persuade a Cuban heiress to lend some of her monkeys for further experiments reached American ears, with the New York Times reporting on the story, and she dropped the idea amid the uproar.

Mr Ivanov was now in disgrace. His were not the only experiments going wrong: the plan to collectivise farms ended in the 1932 famine in which at least four million died.
For his expensive failure, he was sentenced to five years' jail, which was later commuted to five years' exile in the Central Asian republic of Kazakhstan in 1931. A year later he died, reportedly after falling sick while standing on a freezing railway platform.
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Mr Ivanov's ideas were music to the ears of Soviet planners and in 1926 he was dispatched to West Africa with $200,000 to conduct his first experiment in impregnating chimpanzees.

Now, that's kinky! What if the chimpanzees didn't fin him attractive?
Mr Ivanov's ideas were music to the ears of Soviet ... with $200,000 to conduct his first experiment in impregnating chimpanzees.

Now, that's kinky! What if the chimpanzees didn't fin him attractive?

That's why he brought $200,000 with him.
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snip According to Moscow newspapers, Stalin told the scientist: "I want a new invincible human being, insensitive to pain, resistant and indifferent about the quality of food they eat." snip

If that's what Stalin wanted, wouldn't have made more sense to make a creature that is half-human and half-rat?
snip According to Moscow newspapers, Stalin told the scientist: "I ... and indifferent about the quality of food they eat." snip

If that's what Stalin wanted, wouldn't have made more sense to make a creature that is half-human and half-rat?

I wish people would stop dragging Skip into these threads.

Joe Myers
"Okay, not half man..."
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If that's what Stalin wanted, wouldn't have made more sense to make a creature that is half-human and half-rat?

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I wish people would stop dragging Skip into these threads. Joe Myers "Okay, not half man..."
Keep it up, Joe. You're really going out of your way over and over. There are consequences for everything.
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Keep it up, Joe. You're really going out of your way over and over. There are consequences for everything.

Oh, my!
Sounds like a threat to me.
Joe Myers
"Your Starbucks or mine?"
Keep it up, Joe. You're really going out of your way over and over. There are consequences for everything.

Oh, my!

Sounds like a threat to me. Joe Myers "Your Starbucks or mine?"

Bringing up "High Noon at Strabucks" again?! Skip didn't even pick that fight. Truth is, that other guy, liberal or whatever that he may be, has been beligerent on a few occasions is that forgotten just ecause he's a "liberal"? I'm a liberal, too, but I don't condone that kind of behavior.

You don't agree that trashing people does have consequences, maybe years down the road, but consequences nonetheless?
I don't agree with Skip's politics (honestly, so what?), and have even been flamed by him once or twice (boo hoo hoo) but when it comes down to action, he's been more helpful to me than just about anybody else who participates in this forum, except maybe Charles Hall and Jacques Bouchard (ain't that ironic?) . Skip once sent me an expensive technical book, asking for nothing in return, and has on numerous other occasions shared useful suggestions or info with me.
And Skip's done the same for others is that forgotten because he's a "conservative"?
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Oh, my!

Sounds like a threat to me. Joe Myers "Your Starbucks or mine?"

Bringing up "High Noon at Strabucks" again?! Skip didn't even pick that fight. Truth is, that other guy, liberal or ... suggestions or info with me. And Skip's done the same for others is that forgotten because he's a "conservative"?

Skip seems like the kind of guy who would help an enemy and punch a friend in the nose if he thought either one deserved it. Joe seems like a good guy too. Sometimes certain people just cannot stand each other. Or perhaps they just can't come to grips that they are madly in love... I really hope that's not it though... speaking of consequences, I'd hate to see the baby from that union...
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