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The orders were that we had to evacuate the area within hours to prevent further loss of life.

Hi,

Is it possible to substitute the highlighted "had to"with "evacuate" or "should evacuate" as in subjunctive mood :

The orders were that we evacuate

The orders were that we should evacuate.

"Order is order", Then "should" or "subjunctive" don't seem to be the correct choices. I might be wrong ,though. What do you think?

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Everyone:

IMO, we should NOT use RED for outlining correct (or potentially correct) stuff. RED is normally connected with incorrect by many teachers. Use other colors.

Also, for the OP, I think you meant:

The orders were that we had to evacuate the area within hours to prevent
further loss of life.
Marius HancuEveryone:

IMO, we should NOT use RED for outlining correct (or potentially correct) stuff. RED is normally connected with incorrect by many teachers. Use other colors.

Also, for the OP, I think you meant:

The orders were that we had to evacuate the area within hours to prevent
further loss of life.


Thanks Marius. It was a typo.I've just corrected it.
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Three possibilities, all correct:

Nantasket - by boat

The orders were that we stay seated until the boat blew its horn, scaring us half to death, and pulled away from the wharf and then we could roam around. ...

CHAPTER THREE

The orders were that we should make our way back along the convoy's estimated course, and make square searches as we went along. This we learned would take ...

Pride at Vimy Ridge

Orders were that we were not to stop to attend the wounded. They must wait for the stretcher bearer." Shoulder to shoulder, the men advanced up the ridge. ...

See more samples in this Google search output:
"orders were that we"
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Marius HancuThree possibilities, all correct:

Nantasket - by boat

The orders were that we stay seated until the boat blew its horn, scaring us half to death, and pulled away from the wharf and then we could roam around. ...

CHAPTER THREE

The orders were that we should make our way back along the convoy's estimated course, and make square searches as we went along. This we learned would take ...

Pride at Vimy Ridge

Orders were that we were not to stop to attend the wounded. They must wait for the stretcher bearer." Shoulder to shoulder, the men advanced up the ridge. ...

See more samples in this Google search output:
"orders were that we"


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what's your comment Marius?

All 3 versions I've presented in the above can be used here. The first one is a subjunctive. You have the models, now it's your workEmotion: smile
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Marius HancuAll 3 versions I've presented in the above can be used here. The first one is a subjunctive. You have the models, now it's your workEmotion: smile
So you don't agree with the following Native Speaker's comment. Ha?

I can't speak to the rules of grammar, but I would not tend to use the subjunctive with "ordered". "Ordered" is cut-and-dried. We were ordered to do it.

If the words were "He demanded that we evacuate" or "He insisted that we evacuate", or "He suggested (that) we evacuate", I would use the subjunctive. In other words, any word that left doubt as to the outcome would seem more comfortable with the subjunctive to me.
In terms of subjunctives, at Google:

2 for "ordered that we evacuate"

which is about as frequent the same phrase with other "ordering/commanding" verbs:

2 for "asked that we evacuate"
1 for "demanded that we evacuate"

but indeed less frequent than with the "suggesting" verbs:

5 for "insisted that we evacuate"
10 for "suggested that we evacuate"

However, it is to be believed that in this day an age, for politeness reasons, people prefer to use more suggestions, and not orders.
KilimanjaroThe orders were that we had to evacuate the area within hours to prevent further loss of life.

Hi,

Is it possible to substitute the highlighted "had to"with "evacuate" or "should evacuate" as in subjunctive mood :

The orders were that we evacuate

The orders were that we should evacuate.

"Order is order", Then "should" or "subjunctive" don't seem to be the correct choices. I might be wrong ,though. What do you think?

Hi Kil,

There are many ways to express the same idea and concept. It all depends on the preceeding content and how we compose the thoughts to be expressed. From your one-line context, this is my take: I think [that] was not necessary as it created distraction, to me anyway. I edited a little to give the sentence some added context and natural tone.

The order from the emergency response authority was everyone living within one mile of the oil refinery fire evacuate immediately .

Alternatives:

The Emergency Response Authority ordered everyone living within one mile of the refinery fire to evacuate immediately.

Everyone living within one mile of the refinery fire was ordered by the Emergency Response Authority to evacuate immediately.
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