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You are required to work a minimum of twenty hours per week within normal business hours and at other such times as necessary to fulfil the requirements of your position.

What is the difference in meaning between other such times and other times here?

To me at least, such means óf that kind' but isn't this time referring to a time not of that kind, a time that is outside of business hours?

What I'm failing to say is that I feel such should be removed for the sentence to be correct.

Thanks
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Hi,

You are required to work a minimum of twenty hours per week within normal business hours and at other such times as necessary to fulfil the requirements of your position.

What is the difference in meaning between other such times and other times here? Broadly speaking, none. The 'such' really just makes the sentence sound more like 'lawyer English'.

To me at least, such means óf that kind' but isn't this time referring to a time not of that kind, a time that is outside of business hours?

The writer means 'other times of that kind that are necessary to fulfil the requirements of your position'.

What I'm failing to say is that I feel such should be removed for the sentence to be correct. It's correct either way.

Clive
CliveThe writer means 'other times of that kind that are necessary to fulfil the requirements of your position'.

Hi, what I'm trying to say is that this other such time is not of the kind already specified, because the time specified is inside working hours, while this other time is obviously not inside working hours (other time)
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Hi,

Are you asking me a question?Emotion: smile

What you are trying to say sounds to me like what the original sentence said.

Clive
People convicted of assault are violent and dangerous. Such people should not be approached.



People convicted of assault are violent and dangerous. People of that kind should not be approached.

In the above, 'such people' refers to the convicted people and therefore are of the same kind (convicted of assault).

You are required to work a minimum of twenty hours per week within normal business hours and at other such times as necessary to fulfil the requirements of your position.

You are required to work a minimum of twenty hours per week within normal business hours and at other times of that kind that are necessary to fulfil the requirements of your position.

Here, however, 'other such times' doesn't refer to normal business hours because of the word other. Therefore, the 'other such time' is not of the same kind as normal business.

Am I wrong? Emotion: thinking

Thanks
Hi,

I suppose I agree, although perhaps the word 'other' makes a difference. I'd think about that some more, but you are making my brain hurt a bit. Emotion: hmm

The wording of the original sentence is pretty common. Do you really and truly have trouble interpreting it in the way that I have suggested it should be interpreted?

Clive
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Hi again,

I've been thinking about your sentence some more.

I know that the intention of such sentences is to tell you that you have to work at any time the boss tells you to. The extra work could mean during normal working hours, or on the weekend, or even, I suppose, in the middle of the night.

Perhaps that's a better way to interpret the actual words. It's certainly how the boss will interpret them.

Clive
Hi, Clive

I certainly don't have trouble interpreting it the way it was meant to be conveyed. I'm just having difficulty understanding how 'other such times' is correct.

Maybe I am wrong. Or are you convincing yourself it is correct because it just sounds right, perhaps? Emotion: smile
Hi,

It's just that I know people, at least English speakers, do not carefully express their every thought in a precise manner. The language we normally use is far from logical.



This is particularly true of speech. For example, you might be surprised at how much of what we say consists of sentences that are fragmentary and never even completed. We ask questions a lot when meaning needs to be clarified.

Even in writing, we are not rigorously logical in everything we write. Plenty of people would be amazed and amused at the way we here on the Forum tend to inspect a sentence for every shade of meaning and every possibility of ambiguity.

Clive
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