Here's a fun test. The BBC has a "Spot the fake smile" test. 20 pictures of people smiling. How many can you spot?

My score: 18/20
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/smiles /

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Here's a fun test. The BBC has a "Spot the fake smile" test. 20 pictures of people smiling. How many can you spot? My score: 18/20 http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/smiles /

I got 14/20. I might have gotten a few more if they had defined their terms a bit better. There were a couple that I would call fearful, timid smiles, so are those "genuine" or "fake"? They were not expressing genuine amusement, but neither did they strike me as wholly artificial responses to a command like "We order you to smile now!" A fearful, timid smile could certainly be a genuine response to some situation. But the experimenters appear to have counted them as "fake."

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Donna Richoux wrote on 06 Jun 2004:
Here's a fun test. The BBC has a "Spot the ... smiling. How many can you spot? My score: 18/20 http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/smiles /

I got 14/20. I might have gotten a few more if they had defined their terms a bit better. There ... smile could certainly be a genuine response to some situation. But the experimenters appear to have counted them as "fake."

I agree that they didn't define their terms well at all, but I took the distinction to mean one between someone who was reacting involuntarily (real smile) and one who was reacting voluntarily (a forced smile). The one who probably stands out as the epitome of a fake smile is the 12th face, the young Asian-looking woman whose non-smiling face was in a kind of constant pre-smile. I see that all the time here in Taiwan. She was very good at faking it, I think, and it looked really natural to me, but there were no eye wrinkles.
I don't think the test was easy, and I'm sure I made some lucky guesses. Then again, after living in Far East Asia for 20 years, I expect I'm much better at judging people's real feelings from their facial expressions than I ever was before. It's necessary in cultures that do not value emotional openness.

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CyberCypher typed thus:
Here's a fun test. The BBC has a "Spot the fake smile" test. 20 pictures of people smiling. How many can you spot? My score: 18/20 http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/smiles /

17/20 for me, perhaps surprisingly.

David
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Here's a fun test. The BBC has a "Spot the fake smile" test. 20 pictures of people smiling. How many can you spot? My score: 18/20 http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/smiles /

You no longer need the www for bbc.co.uk websites. The links they give on their programmes now mostly omit it. Other well-known sites I've tried can in many cases be accessed sans dubyas, and I hope we can now get rid of the damn thing completely.
Matti
On 6 Jun 2004 08:48:21 GMT, CyberCypher
Donna Richoux wrote on 06 Jun 2004:

I got 14/20. I might have gotten a few more ... But the experimenters appear to have counted them as "fake."

I agree that they didn't define their terms well at all, but I took the distinction to mean one between ... fake smile is the 12th face, the young Asian-looking woman whose non-smiling face was in a kind of constant pre-smile.

I've never noticed that before, but you're right, I see it in my Chinese female students. But then I thought the Asian girl was genuine.
was very good at faking it, I think, and it looked really natural to me, but there were no eye wrinkles.

Younger people are harder to spot? Or is it east-west eye structures?

I got 15/20 of which I thought 3 fakes were genuine.

I decided half-way the eyes give a better clue, but I may have been wrong since most of my mistakes were towards the end of the text.

No doubt some gobshite will now start holding forth about this being OT; I'm off down the cheese shop.
DC
I see that all the time here in Taiwan. She
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Here's a fun test. The BBC has a "Spot the ... smiling. How many can you spot? My score: 18/20 http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/smiles /

You no longer need the www for bbc.co.uk websites. The links they give on their programmes now mostly omit it. ... many cases be accessed sans dubyas, and I hope we can now get rid of the damn thing completely. Matti

Until very recently I could record their online programmes (which only stay online 7 days) to play back later using Creative Audio Stream Recorder, now they seem to have some sort of jam on them. I can still do a straight audio recording, but with a dial-up it's not very satifactory.

Oh tempora (that's enough oriental food) o mores.
DC
Matti Lamprhey wrote on 06 Jun 2004:
Here's a fun test. The BBC has a "Spot the ... smiling. How many can you spot? My score: 18/20 http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/smiles /

You no longer need the www for bbc.co.uk websites. The links they give on their programmes now mostly omit it. ... in many cases be accessed sans dubyas, and I hope we can now get rid of the damn thing completely.

You may not need the "www." when you type the address into the address window, but when you get to the site, that is the address that shows up. I also do a copy+paste for Web addresses, or else I use Tinyurl.com to do it for me.

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Django Cat wrote on 06 Jun 2004:
Donna Richoux wrote on 06 Jun 2004: I agree that ... whose non-smiling face was in a kind of constant pre-smile.

I've never noticed that before, but you're right, I see it in my Chinese female students. But then I thought the Asian girl was genuine.

I am on my second Asian wife (first one from Shanghai and second one from Kaohsiung in southern Taiwan). Asian women are no more or less "genuine" than other women. The only important differences are the cultural values that Western and Asian women do not share but that Asian men and women do. Western men have to learn how to read people from cultures other than own, which means, of course, learning something about the other culture and its values.
was very good at faking it, I think, and it looked really natural to me, but there were no eye wrinkles.

Younger people are harder to spot? Or is it east-west eye structures?

I don't have any trouble spotting old or young phonies (also "phoneys").
I got 15/20 of which I thought 3 fakes were genuine. I decided half-way the eyes give a better clue, ... text. No doubt some gobshite will now start holding forth about this being OT; I'm off down the cheese shop.

Fun is never off topic, and Donna's post made it totally on topic.

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