"I've heard of a few cases WHERE patients have made a full recovery even after being clinically dead for well over ten minutes."

Does English grammar allow us to use 'THAT' instead of 'WHERE'? Would it be considered less formal?

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"He reported a few cases that several monkeys had attacked infants."

Even to me it doesn't seem right! CJ is right in his solutions.

A question: couldn't we say "a case 'when' "?
Thanks to all again. My huge itch in my mind has been pretty much scratched away now. And Sorry, Abbie, now that I also realized I'd just got confused for nothing and I totally misunderstood the meaning of your prior comments, as I read your most previous one now.
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"a case when monkeys attacked infants" Hmmm. Not bad at all.

There may be a rule that prescribes what to do in this situation, but not knowing of one, I'd say I see nothing wrong with "case when".

I guess "case" is assimilated to "occasion", "moment", then.
Dear CalifJim;
Does 'a case' in the example above have anything to do with 'when'? I mean, obviously it doesn't make any sense to say "His report includes a few cases when monkeys attacked infants." Only the case I can think of is something like "He was reporting a case when monkeys attacked infants." However, in that sentense an adverbial 'when'-clause simply modifies the verb 'report', I guess.
Or could you give me an example in a full sentense?
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His report includes a few cases when monkeys attacked infants.

Again, I'd say "in which" is better, but I find "when" (or "where") acceptable, too.

Alternately, "His report includes a few cases of monkeys attacking infants."

He was reporting a case when monkeys attacked infants.

Here, I believe there is ambiguity between adverbial "when" and appositive/relative "when".

a. He was reporting the case at the time that the monkeys did their attacking.
b. He was reporting the very case in which monkeys attacked.

These ambiguities are not that rare:

"He told me where they had the picnic."

a. He told me (whatever it was) while we were standing at the spot where they had the picnic.
b. He named for me the location at which they had had the picnic, though we were elsewhere during this naming of the location.

I still have hard time accepting 'a case and when' combination in the relative clause,
"His report includes a few cases when monkeys attacked infants."
I quote, COBUILD's "English Grammar", saying "'when' can be used in defining clauses, but 'when'-clause mast be preceded by the word 'time' or by the name of a period of time such as 'day' or 'year'."
And if the 'when'-clause is adverbial in the example above, then it doesn't make any sense.

Also, do we need 'a case' in "He was reporting a case when monkeys attacked infants"?

I think 'case/cases that' or 'case/cases where' are better than 'case/cases when'.
But it is true many people use 'case/cases when'
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case/cases that 10,000,000/3,880,000=13,880,000
case/cases when 6,280,000/13,200,000=19,480,000
case/cases when 3,100,000/1,360,000=4,460,000

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Yes, but in "case/s that", the "that" must be subject, then, right?
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