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Could anyone explain this to me please? I'm not sure I can really tell the difference between the two. I've got two critical essays to write and I'm a little stuck on this. They're not interchangeable are they?
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Symbolism is a current of Literature, just like when poets of the end of the 18-th and the beginning of the 19-th centuries used symbols to describe their feelings and impressions. E. A. Poe and others of that time. Imagery is everywhere in Literature, not only in one certain period - a number of images created not only with symbols, but also with simple characteristics. Smth like that Emotion: smile
Here's one of the poems I'm analysing:

Poor Women in a Church by Seamus Heaney

The small wax candles melt to light,

Flicker in marble, reflect bright

Asterisks on brass candlesticks:

At the Virgin’s altar on the right

Blue flames are jerking on wicks.

Old dough-faced women with black shawls

Drawn down tight kneel in the stalls.

Cold yellow candle-tongues, blue flame

Mince and caper as whispered calls

Take wing up to the Holy Name.

Thus each day in the sacred place

They kneel. Golden shrines, altar lace,

Marble columns and cool shadows

Still them. In the gloom you cannot trace

A wrinkle on their beeswax brows.


Dough-faced, beeswax brows - Both give an image of the colour of the women's faces, and 'dough-faced' also seems to conjure up an image of the way their faces look smooth in the dim candle light

Mince and caper - image related to dancing

Jerking - would this be considered imagery?

Still them - I don't understand what the poet means by this
Thanks for your input T.I. Emotion: smile
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I think "jerking" would be considered not imagery, but a symbol. Flames can't jerk, so this word contains another meaning, not usual. And if so, it is a symbol, though the poet's works may not belong to symbolism.

Of meaning, I think (though I'm not sure) "still them" is the same as "make them calm, quiet, without a move". And if so, it is that strange atmosphere in holy places which brings silence and secrecy.
Hello Henrietta

I would say that "imagery" = the literal sensory elements in a piece of writing; whereas "symbolism" = the meanings those images have beyond their literal elements.

So "the sun" as an image is simply the literal sun in the sky, and "the moon" is merely the moon. But the sun is also a symbol of vigour, masculinity, etc., and the moon is a symbol of fickleness, femininity, etc. Or, more elaborately: in Renaissance painting, lilies and the colour blue are often symbols of the Virgin Mary, centaurs are symbols of bestial behaviour, black birds are symbols of death, etc.

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Oh I see. Thanks very much Mr P. Emotion: smile
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Dough-faced: yes, I think it is the way their faces look in the candlelight. It might though refer to the shadowy look of faces in dim light, rather than smoothness: the emphasized creases around the mouth and nose might give a slightly "lumpy" look, like dough. (There may also be a subterranean reference here to the "bread" in communion bread and wine.)

Beeswax brows – yes, as you say. The brows catch the light of the candles.

Mince and caper – yes; caper as in dancing (in fact, "dancing flames" is something of a cliché). "Mince" to suggest the more delicate movements of flame.

Jerking - yes; the flames "jerk" as if to free themselves from the wick.

Still them - "still" here is a verb, meaning "to make still", "to quieten".

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I would say that the "imagery" consisted of:

Wax candles, brass candlesticks, the Virgin’s altar, blue flames, women with black shawls, golden shrines, altar lace, marble columns, faces, shadows.

Then we have:

1. Poor Women: pun on "poor"?

2. bright/Asterisks: metaphor.

3. dough-faced: an elliptical simile: "faces like dough".

4. kneel in the stalls: possibly a pun on "stalls" in its a) theatre b) livestock senses.

5. tongues: dead metaphor.

6. Mince and caper: metaphor.

7. Take wing up to: dead metaphor

8. beeswax brows: simile - "brows like beeswax".

I'm not sure about "symbolism". Heaney doesn't seem to me to use any of his images especially symbolically here. I suppose you could say there's a contrast between the liveliness of the candles and the stillness of the women.

Do you think he ran out of steam in the 3rd stanza? It seems a bit perfunctory...

See you later!

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