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Mike Lyle filted:

You must consult 1066 And All That , in ... weedy, and weaky", the Britons lost all stomachfor the fight.

Unless my Latin is completely even more completely screwed up than I'm already admitting, that first one should at best ... he'd want to liken the enemy to infants; can't imagine what would prompt a comparison to the people of Vienna..r

You'll have to take that up with Sellar and Yeatman.

Mike.
. A decent pope would lift the ban on birth control, as well.

That is not the way of the Church. If anything is ever to be done by the Church in this area it will be in the area of minimizing objections to birth control practices. The Church may take some related path by emphasizing the acceptance of exercising personal judgement in family matters that will be understood to mean that the Church will let this matter slide, but they will never lift the ban.

Tony Cooper
Orlando FL
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I was wondering if that had happened too.
Hence /i:/-/aI/
/A:/-/eI/
/O:/-/oU/
but did /tu:/ become /taU/?
Edmund
If it's any comfort, I think it's likely the "V" wasn't exactly like a modern English /w/. After all, it's found written as "B" in Pompeiian graffitos. Probably some sort of weird hybrid of /w/, /B/, and /v/. The Poles might know.

Latin consonantal "v" was originally something like (w), but generally changed to (B) (which survives in Spanish and Catalan). I don't know when this change happened; I seem to have boxed up my books on Latin.

Andrew Gwilliam
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"excelsis" become "ex-tsel-siss" where official RC Church Latin has something like "egg-shell-seece".

Egg-shell-seece is exactly what we sing in an Anglican cathedral.

Ah, but which cathedral? Within the last few months I have been told to sing, in different works and different contexts, all of
eggshellseece, eckshellseece, ecks-chellseece, extselseece, eggshellsiss

I find ths hardest thing to do in all these fancy pronunciations is to get the vowel quantities wrong (as in the last of my list). I must have had them drilled into me more than I realised, at school.
Katy
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Egg-shell-seece is exactly what we sing in an Anglican cathedral.

Ah, but which cathedral?

Manchester.
Within the last few months I have been told to sing, in different works and different contexts, all of eggshellseece, eckshellseece, ecks-chellseece, extselseece, eggshellsiss

Quite. I got borrowed by the Halle for Brahms Requiem and they did something different, although I've now forgotten what.

David
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. A decent pope would lift the ban on birth control, as well.

That is not the way of the Church. If anything is ever to be done by the Church in this ... will be understood to mean that the Church will let this matter slide, but they will never lift the ban.

Right. I think they have pretty much been there for the past 30 years. If people would shut up and think a bit, they might realize that free will is the freedom to choose what behavior causes the least harm to the individuals, the marriage, and the other children. We learned about the right to make decisions and to take the punishment for our sins when we made our first confessions. Then we repeated the lesson at confirmation. Now, if we can't determine right from wrong, then we don't deserve to be out in the world, for we cannot be held responsible for any evil in the world.
If we persist in evil (or wrong decisions) and have a bad conscience about how we hurt our loved ones, and how we may possibly hurt God, then we can determine to change. Our society and our churches have numerous classes and counselors to assist us in making our changes.
Failing that, we can commit the unforgivable sin and remove ourselves from this life. But for heaven's sake, can't we just shut up about trying to persuade Popes and other saints to change their mind?
Egg-shell-seece is exactly what we sing in an Anglican cathedral.

Ah, but which cathedral? Within the last few months I have been told tosing, in different works and different contexts, ... in the last of my list). I must have had them drilled into me more than I realised, at school.

I think you have done a commendable job in spelling out the various permutations of "the highest". I can recall trying to apply a logic in my singing, by practicing your versions 2 and 3 above.

I used the "chei-li" sound for heaven: "Pater noster, qui es in caeli", but would certainly get all tongue-tyed if I heard some of the people here say it.
Kae-li? For heaven's sake, I have cousins and grand-nieces going by that name.
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A decent pope would lift the ban on birth control, as well. I fear, however, the new guy won't get ... to bring more discrimination and unhappiness into the world, but he'll sort out the dogma, if wrong. Very important, that.

1) The "ban on birth control" is a moral one, and it does not affect you,unless you want to be affected by it, inasmuch as you (as everyone , as far as the Catholic Church is concerned) can behave yourself as you please.
2) The Pope is the head of the Catholic Church. He's not Kofi Annan orGeorge Bush. I understand that you may tend to expect good things from him, and not from unreliable political subjects. Still, he is the head of the Catholic Church. Since everyone can decide whether to be part of it or not, what's the problem? Of course, you cannot be catholic, so...
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