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That is not the way of the Church. If anything ... this matter slide, but they will never lift the ban.

Where can I purchase a crystal ball such as yours?
Right. I think they have pretty much been there for the past 30 years. If people would shut up and ... for heaven's sake, can't we just shut up about trying to persuade Popes and other saints to change their mind?

The better approach might be to educate the poor of South America, on the good chance that will cause many of them to see the irrationality involved in not arguing any of the teachings of the majority church there. As long as uneducated people dogmatically follow the Catholic Church's teachings regardless of the impact on them, family size and hunger will be a problem there. Unless, that is, Rome can bring itself to elect a decent pope again, once this new one dies. We had one in my younger days who was bringing the Church forward quite rapidly (for the Catholic Church) instead of being satisfied in maintaining the status quo or causing the institution to become even more conservative than it already is.
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That's not in Latin, though. Was it the Verdi you sang, perhaps?

"Extselseece" was an odd one. The "ts"is Germanic Latin, in which (as I understand it) the -is ending is always "iss", whatever the classical 'quantity' is supposed to have been.
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K. Edgcombe put finger to keyboard in this fashion: Manchester. ... and they did something different, although I've now forgotten what.

That's not in Latin, though. Was it the Verdi you sang, perhaps?

You're right of course. The title "German Requiem" gives it away. It was definitely the Brahms but it was a couple of years ago - I must be remembering some other different choir with this specific word.
"Extselseece" was an odd one. The "ts"is Germanic Latin, in which (as I understand it) the -is ending is always "iss", whatever the classical 'quantity' is supposed to have been.

We always sang "-iss" when I was young but, as I said earlier, there has been a movement towards more Italianate sounds over the last few decades.

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A decent pope would lift the ban on birth control, ... he'll sort out the dogma, if wrong. Very important, that.

1) The "ban on birth control" is a moral one, and it does not affect you, unless you want to be affected by it,

It affects all of us because it affects birth rates and therefore population levels and therefore affects directly the resources that we have to make available for education, health and many other social requirements. And, of course, the refusal to condone birth control also has an effect, by refusing to permit the use of condoms as prophylactics, in increasing the transmission of sexual diseases like AIDS. And the more people who have AIDS, the more people will get AIDS.

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In informal use you can attach 's to the end ... say it, and got the inflection right, people would understand.

Doesn't that lead to things like "the Queen of England's hat"?...r

Sure. And "the President of the United States' leadership", as well. The genitive -'s suffix is no longer a case marker (English has no case markers because it has no case system), since it doesn't have to be attached to a noun any more. Instead, it's what's called a "clitic" (specifically a "postclitic"), which is halfway between a bound form and a free form ("clitic" comes from the Greek word meaning 'to lean against'), in that it can't stand by itself and does have to be attached, but not to a particular word. Rather, it's attached to the last word of the noun phrase it's in.

English has lots of clitics, some of them promoted from suffix and some of them demoted (like -n't or -'ve) from actual words.

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The genitive -'s suffix is no longer a case marker ... since it doesn't have to be attached to a ... attached, but not to a particular word. Rather, it's attached to the last word of the noun phrase it's in.

Many people do seem unconfortable with attaching 's if the noun phrase would already have ended in that. They don't want to say "The price of McDonald's's shares was unchanged" or "This friend of John's's car was an old Ford." Me, I would, but then I like grammtical playfulness. I think some people would reduce the second 's to nothing and then wonder why it sounded wrong, and others would avoid the construction altogether. Comments, John?
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1) The "ban on birth control" is a moral one, and it does not affect you, unless you want to be affected by it,

It affects all of us because it affects birth rates and therefore population levels and therefore affects directly the resources that we have to make available for education, health and many other social requirements.

Inasmuch as he has no children of his own; considering that one can actually decide what to do (including not conceiving children if one cannot provide for them); and since one is responsible for his own actions, is the Pope to blame for this?
And, of course, the refusal to condone birth control also has an effect, by refusing to permit the use of condoms as prophylactics, in increasing the transmission of sexual diseases like AIDS.

How can you get aids if you make love to one woman only, the woman you have married before God? Because if you have sex with more than one woman, of whom maybe you barely know the name (i.e. if you don't follow the Catholic Church's advice on conjugal fidelity), in the meanwhile you cannot be so catholic that you don't approve of condoms. The onle debatable case is when two people have got married before God, and one of them has aids. In that case, provided that they're faithful to each other, something might change.

As to sexual education, you and someone else are confusing the Catholic Church with the UN or Unicef. The Catholic Church is not chiefly a charitable institution, and its goal is not to do "good" whatever the cost. But there are institutions for this, so I don't understand why you and someone else here blame the Pope... Nobody blames the authorities of other religions, because they are religious authorities..., but oddly enough someone thinks that the Pope is but a political subject who has to forget the Church's principles and just do someone else's job.

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As I am partly resposible for starting this discussion, I shall bring it to a close by saying that I don't care what any Bible-kissing retard thinks about interpersonal relationships.
I beleive I responded to a post about the impact of the Great Vowel Shift on Latin as spoken in Britain. Can we get back to what was at least semi-on-topic please?
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How can you get aids if you make love to one woman only, the woman you have married before God?

Simple: unbeknownst to you, she has sex with someone else. Mike Hardy
(Or you get if from a blood transfusion, or from a hypodermic needle that was not properly sterilized after its last use, etc..)
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