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The second largest economy.

What part of speech is 'second'?
My terminology is:
'second' is an adjective or a pre-determiner and largest is also a determiner.
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I would say that it is an adverb.
Thanks, YL.

Yes, I agree it could be an adverb.Emotion: smile
The thing is, I think, determing whether it is an adverb/adjective could lead to something counterproductive for learners.
I wonder what other members think of it....
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Hi,

If I were writing carefully, which I usually do, I'd use a hyphen, ie second-largest.

If you do that, it becomes apparent that the whole term is an adjective.

I suppose you might call it a compound adjective.

Best wishes, Clive
LiveinjapanWhat part of speech is 'second'?
My terminology is:
'second' is an adjective or a pre-determiner and largest is also a determiner.
LiveinjapanThe thing is, I think, determing whether it is an adverb/adjective could lead to something counterproductive for learners.
I've never understood how adding more terms makes it simpler for learners. By definition, adjectives modify nouns, and adverbs modify adjectives. If determiners and pre-determiners are now parts of speech (does that make only ten now?) we must decide whether a word which modifies an adjective is an adverb or a pre-determiner. Is that a simplification or a complication? I guess we must first decide if it modifies it, qualifies it, or determines it.
If we're planning to throw out adverbs and adjectives, we should first enlist the cooperation of the dictionary publishers.
I tend to go with Clive's approach to avoid uncessary grammatical clashes.

I also agree with Avangi who said: "By definition, adjectives modify nouns, and adverbs modify adjectives". However, there are times rules don't conform to practicality. i.e.

He got a good old fashiion spanking for stealing his father's money. --what is "good" here?

To me, "good" can not be an adverb, but by your reasoning, then it must be. This is the clash I was referring to. So to avoid that, a hyphen between "old" and "fashion" will easily solve that problem.



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I'm fine with hyphens. I'm fine with compound nouns and adjectives. I'm fine with multiple adjectives modifying the same noun. I'm fine with adverbs modifying other adverbs, per definition.

In attempting to answer LiJ's question about counterproductivity, I'm not sure that in analyzing a noun with multiple modifiers/determiners, the learner is served by having four choices instead of two. And I haven't yet been convinced that the shift from determiner to pre-determiner is any clearer than the shift from adjective to adverb. (Perhaps pre-determiners don't modify verbs?) Emotion: geeked

It's one thing to analyze a sentence we have reason to assume is correct; but when we're writing from scratch, we often wish to confirm if a word may be used as an adjective - or as an adverb. The dictionary can be very helpful in this. When we want to know if the word may be used as a determiner - or as a pre-determiner, whom do we see?
Thank you guys!

I really appreciate all of your instructive comments.
As YL said, some dictionaries define it's an adverb but it depends on each dictionary, I suppose. And as Goodman said there must be a clash.
The sentense itself is easy to understand and I think many would actually/imaginarily hyphenate '
second-largest', which makes me understand it in the way that it is a compound adjective.
But there are lots of ways to determine the part of speech.
Thanks again for an excellent discussion.
Hi Liveinjapan,

We all understand the basic rules in grammar. Adverb can modify adjective, or another adverb. However, adjective preceeding anothjer adjective can not be an adverb modifying the adjective following, for there is no such rule, nor there is such understanding. There are many instances like these. cold hard cash, scalding hot soup, freezing cold rain etc... Therefore, I persoanlly (was taught that way) lwould ean on the hyphenated approach to connect the 2 adjective togather as one. If one must analyze what the property and function of the first adjective is, I wish him the best!
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