What verb would you spontaneously use when speaking about what you do to a turkey or any other bird, really, it's just that turkey seemed to be a seasonal topic right now when you put it into an oven in order to cook it? Do you bake it or do you roast it?

Isabelle Cecchini
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Isabelle Cecchini typed thus:
What verb would you spontaneously use when speaking about what you do to a turkey or any other bird, really, ... you put it into an oven in order to cook it? Do you bake it or do you roast it?

(UK answer): "cook". If it's a whole bird, there's only one choice in most houses, which is to shove it into the oven.

If pressed, nearly everybody would say it was "roast", although we here know perfectly well that it's actually "baked". But nobody says they are going to eat baked turkey, baked chicken or baked lamb. You can have baked ham, but I don't know how this might differ from roast ham.
Real roasting requires direct heat and the juices being retained, usually by turning. There are no facilities for roasting in modern houses.
We have both baked potatoes (baked whole in their skins) and roast potatoes (cooked in fat in a tray).

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Isabelle Cecchini typed thus:

What verb would you spontaneously use when speaking about what ... it? Do you bake it or do you roast it?

(UK answer): "cook". If it's a whole bird, there's only one choice in most houses, which is to shove it ... can have baked ham, but I don't know how this might differ from roast ham. Real roasting requires direct heat

Do you mean a real live fire?
and the juices being retained, usually by turning. There are no facilities for roasting in modern houses.

I have an electric oven with a spit-turning device. Would you call it a roasting apparatus, or does it count as baking?
We have both baked potatoes (baked whole in their skins) and roast potatoes (cooked in fat in a tray).

Thanks!

Isabelle Cecchini
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What verb would you spontaneously use when speaking about what you do to a turkey or any other bird, really, ... you put it into an oven in order to cook it? Do you bake it or do you roast it?

What, no deep frying?
Roast.
Someday I may learn the difference between "bake" and "roast." I do know I've never had freshly roasted bread.

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Isabelle Cecchini typed thus:
Isabelle Cecchini typed thus: (UK answer): "cook". If it's a ... might differ from roast ham. Real roasting requires direct heat

Do you mean a real live fire?

That's the original meaning. I suppose you could roast before an electric element, and certainly before a gas fire, but it's not what we usually mean. Think Henry VIII.
So (question to self and others), does this mean that kebabs (that is, giro-type kebabs) are "roast"?
and the juices being retained, usually by turning. There are no facilities for roasting in modern houses.

I have an electric oven with a spit-turning device. Would you call it a roasting apparatus, or does it count as baking?

Probably not, because the oven is using convected heat, rather than direct heat. Are these common in France? We don't have one here (I'm sure they exist, but they are not standard), but our house in France came with one fitted.

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What verb would you spontaneously use when speaking about what you do to a turkey or any other bird, really, ... you put it into an oven in order to cook it? Do you bake it or do you roast it?

I wouldn't say I do either. I cook it. As verbs, neither "bake" nor "roast" sounds right to me at all, in a turkey context.
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What verb would you spontaneously use when speaking about what ... it? Do you bake it or do you roast it?

What, no deep frying? Roast. Someday I may learn the difference between "bake" and "roast." I do know I've never had freshly roasted bread.

The extent of my knowledge on the difference is: you roast meat or, if you speak BrE, you roast potatoes; you bake bread, a pie, or a cake.
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My brother's going try deep fried turkey - where they slowly heat up a drum of cooking oil over several hours, put the turkey on a winch, and slowly lower Tom into the boiling oil. He's going to tell me how it tastes, and if anyone gets burned. Viva Extreme Cooking!

Then there is the curious custom of the Presidental Turkey Pardon (Article XIII of the Bill of Rights).
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/11/1120 TVprezturkeys.html

I think the turkey should wear a miniature fez.
Do youse non-Americans have a secular holiday where the family gathers for a dinner? How about a secular holiday where odd food is eaten?

gobĀ·ble n. The guttural, chortling sound of a male turkey.
Isabelle Cecchini typed thus:

Do you mean a real live fire?

That's the original meaning. I suppose you could roast before an electric element, and certainly before a gas fire, but it's not what we usually mean. Think Henry VIII.

Now I'm afraid that Isabelle is going to think she can't fix a turkey American-style on Thursday unless she crouches on a hearth and cranks a spit.
If you're asking about modern practice, Isabelle, both "bake" and "roast" mean "put in a modern gas or electric oven for whatever length of time." "Roast" refers mostly for meats, cooked more or less au naturel. "Bake" is for flour-based batters and dough, and casseroles, and other prepared foods. There are borderline cases, like "baked squash" or "roast squash" (Google pref. 8:l).
If you stick a whole chicken on a pan and put it in the oven, that's roasting. If you dip pieces of chicken in egg and crumbs, put them in a pan and put them in the oven, that's baking (or "oven-frying"). Ditto if you combine pieces of chicken with many ingredients and sauce and bake the whole dish.
Now, as to history, back in June there was a little talk of how related were words like "rotate" and "roast" and "rotisserie" and "roster," but we weren't able to work it out completely. Did ancient roasting always involving turning (rotating) on a spit, or not?
So (question to self and others), does this mean that kebabs (that is, giro-type kebabs) are "roast"?

I have an electric oven with a spit-turning device. Would you call it a roasting apparatus, or does it count as baking?

By modern US standards, cooking a chunk of meat in an electric oven is roasting.
Probably not, because the oven is using convected heat, rather than direct heat. Are these common in France? We don't have one here (I'm sure they exist, but they are not standard), but our house in France came with one fitted.

PS - I wonder, since you've come and gone this year, if you saw the interesting discussion about the names of the turkey, "peru,""dinde," etc.,and where they came from.

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