In reference to Daily Mail - what's the meaning of this paragraph?
nona the britWe do seem to be good at having rail crashes here in the UK Sad Emotion: sad
spinnakerWhy do you mean? Were recently any more crashes?
nona the britHi Spinnaker,

There haven't been any others very recently but it seems as though they happen once a year or so, for various reasons, and most people in the UK seem to think 'oh not again' when we hear of one. I'd always thought of these as rare freak accidents but this little list has made me a bit worried now - here is a list of the most recent ones:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6392041.stm

I have no idea how this compares with other countries. The ones this decade from the above link

July 2005: A train driver was killed following a level-crossing collision in Kent.

6 November 2004: Seven people died when a high-speed London to Plymouth train, carrying around 300 people, hit a car parked on a level crossing at Ufton Nervet in Berkshire. Six of the dead were on the train, and one was the car driver.

August 2003: A train driver died after colliding with a car at a level crossing in Kent.

10 May 2002: Seven people were killed and over 70 injured when a WAGN service from London to King's Lynn crashed at Potters Bar, in Hertfordshire. Three of the four carriages derailed and one ploughed along the platform. Former Transport Secretary Alistair Darling ruled out a public inquiry and the Crown Prosecution Service ruled no member of rail staff would face criminal charges, but Network Rail and the line maintenance company Jarvis admitted civil liability in relation to the crash.

28 February 2001: Ten people were killed when a GNER train from York to London King's Cross crashed at Great Heck, North Yorkshire. A Land Rover, driven by Gary Hart, had slid down an embankment from the M62 into the path of the express train, which was derailed and then collided with a freight train. Hart was later jailed for five years for causing death by dangerous driving.

17 October 2000: Four people were killed and a further 35 hurt when a GNER London to Leeds train, travelling at over 100mph, derailed at Hatfield, Hertfordshire. A broken rail was found to be the "substantial" cause of the accident. Engineering company Balfour Beatty was fined a record £10m and Network Rail was fined £3.5m for breaching safety rules in relation to the crash.
spinnakerHi nona,
I'm wondered if you have a big railway net in UK.
Furthermore it's sad that there were so many people killed in all accidents.

I'm interested if you travel by train anymore. Does the people from UK look the railway as something good or as something bad?

Thank you very much indeed!
Marius HancuThe whole Europe (including the UK) is using the railways A LOT.
spinnakerWell it gives varieties! Italians or the French use it less than for example Swiss people do it.
nona the britI don't know how we compare to other countries. We do have quite an extensive network and it is common for people to use the train to get in and out of cities and towns for work, as our roads are so congested in urban areas.

I don't use the train much but then I don't need it to get to work. I just use it sometimes if I'm travelling long distance (less tiring than driving) or if I fancy a trip to London. I've never really considered the safety angle - I think most people think our railways are safe. Just looking at that list of all those accidents together has made me think about it in a different way. I don't think I'd avoid using the train, but clearly we've got some problems here! But, saying that, I have no idea if our accident rate is higher/lower/the same as comparable countries.

Some of these accidents are just that - nothing could have been done to stop them. For example, one of the Kent 'collision with car' incidents was caused by the driver deciding to commit suicide and just not considering that he could kill or hurt the people on the train. He deliberately parked his car on a crossing. The landrover one was caused by a tired driver falling asleep (so, yes, he could have prevented it by not driving when so tired, but no-one else could have done anything) and his car veered off the road, down a long bank, through a fence, and on to the tracks.
spinnakerIn London you have to buy a ticket to get into the city and there were recently demonstrations. Have this tickets solved the problems?
nona the britYou mean the congestion charge. You have to pay everytime you take a vehicle into central London during the daytime, and the area has recently been doubled in size (hence the demonstrations). It has reduced the amount of traffic, yes.
spinnakerI think it's something good to take care of a city. What do you think about it?
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Hi Spinnaker,

Why are you repeating all this stuff here?

Best wishes, Clive
CliveHi Spinnaker,

Why are you repeating all this stuff here?

Best wishes, Clive
Hi Clive,
Because it's a completely new topic. Read this:
Grammar GeekSpinnaker, why don't you start a new thread in Topic of the Moment to discuss this further? It really doesn't belong in this grammatical question, but it would be interesting to hear the views of various people.
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I took the first thread off topic originally, sorry, but this would seem to be a good place to continue with it all if anyone is still interested!
Nona The BritI took the first thread off topic originally, sorry, but this would seem to be a good place to continue with it all if anyone is still interested!
I'm interested. In my opinion it's good to take care of a city. What do you think about it?
I'm all for it. The congestion charge, that is - not train crashes.

Up until about ten years ago, I lived in London. I seemed to spend half my life in a queue of traffic in the Pentonville Road, sucking up exhaust fumes. The traffic had reached overwhelming proportions - the whole of the centre was gummed up with road-ragers in Range Rovers, usually only one to a vehicle, with pedestrians taking their lives in their hands to cross the road. It was miserable. I was miserable. I moved out the the West Country, and gradually learned to live in less of a frenzy.

I still travel to London for work occasionally. It has quite a different feeling to it after the congestion charge was introduced and in the wake of the terrorist bombings on the Tube. So many more people are walking and cycling to work. It feels like the people have started to reclaim the streets from the machines. And as a consequence, people seem so much more... well, human. There's a definite increase in casual interaction, occasional eye contact and even - unheard of! - smiling at strangers.

Worth every penny, I say.
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I'm envious of European countries' infrastructure to support mass transit. Now that I am in Pennsylvania, I have access, for the first time, to public transportation, and when I briefly worked in the city, I used it! And loved it! I can't imagine why anyone who simply works in the same building all day would drive. (It's a different story for people who have to move about in the course of their work day, of course.)

How does London enforce the requiremetn to have the pass or ticket or whatever it is to drive during certain hours? Do you have to display it on your vehicle?
As a matter of fact the American use the car a lot more than European people do it.
Public transportation are very good especially to go working.

You wrote that you had the first time access to public transportation. Where hadn't you access if I have the ability to ask?
Lil' Ruby Rose, how much does a congestion charge cost?
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