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Hi,
I once read that it's more common to use object pronouns instead of subject pronouns in sentences like "Us lions live in Africa", instead of "We lions live in Africa".

I just heard "Us people are certainly lucky to have a store like Wall-Mart, aren't we?"

Is it more natural to use object pronouns as subject in those cases? Thanks Emotion: smile

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It's not what one would call good English - but it is a usage that is heard. I am not sure that you can say it is more natural.

The correct way of saying it is of course "We are certainly lucky to have a store like WalMart, aren't we?"
To be honest, Kooyeen, I think "us people" sounds a little weird even from a descriptive point of view.
Generally speaking, in this (informal) usage, the noun that follows the word 'us' would be a bit more specific or narrow than the word 'people'.

us retirees
us New Yorkers
us expats
us techie wannabes

That's my completely descriptive opinion. Emotion: smile
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Yankeethe noun that follows the word 'us' would be a bit more specific or narrow than the word 'people'.
I didn't think about that, but it's a good point. "People" is too general...
So if we use something else...

A) We New Yorkers are used to this traffic. - We learners are always afraid to make mistakes.
B) Us New Yorkers are used to this traffic. - Us learners are always afraid to make mistakes.


What do you think the difference is between A and B? (difference in common usage between using object pronouns and subject pronouns... like, do the versions in A sound too formal for common speech, etc.)
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To me, A sounds correct and B sounds sub-standard/uneducated. A is not at all "too formal" -- it's just correct.
It's wrong. The subject of the verb takes a subject pronoun not an object pronoun; no ifs, no buts.
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Us people are very happy.
(I thought I was about to read a thread about the general felicity of the 50 states...)
KooyeenHi,
I once read that it's more common to use object pronouns instead of subject pronouns in sentences like "Us lions live in Africa", instead of "We lions live in Africa".

I just heard "Us people are certainly lucky to have a store like Wall-Mart, aren't we?"

Is it more natural to use object pronouns as subject in those cases? Thanks Emotion: smile

PS: In case you forgot, I'd like to remind you I don't tolerate prescriptivism. Emotion: wink

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Kooyen,

If I may say so, you ought to be the winner of the “question of the week” award with your questions so far.

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To be honest, Kooyeen, I think "us people" sounds a little weird even from a descriptive point of view.
I agree.

None of the sentences that begin with us seems to be something I often hear. Once in while, maybe, but not that commonly.

On the other hand, I don't hear the same sentences beginning with we either. I don't think the 'pronoun-plus-appositive' structure is that commonly heard in any version (in the U.S.).

CJ
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