re: Well, Doggies! Way Doggies! Hoo, Doggies! page 2

I've never heard "dogie" used in any interjection, and I ... in the movies), but I can't pointto any particular instance.

Let me reiterate that I don't question the source of the expression to be what you have come up with. ... Jeb's character as an example. It's like using Tony Curtis's dialog to verify how they spoke in King Arthur's Court.

I can't agree with you, Tony. We know the writers got at least some* things right ("victuals"/"vittles" for food and "possum" for "opossum," for example). While researching the matter at the University of Minnesota, I came across the title of a book which may address the question: *Hillbillyland: What the Movies Did to the Mountains and What the Mountains Did to the Movies by J.W. Williamson, (C) 1995. (I'm not going to look at it any time soon, though, since I've come down with a rather nasty cold and I'm not going anywhere for a while.)
May I point out that you have no proof that "dogies" was ever used in an interjection besides my cite from the Dictionary of American Regional English for "By dogies!" used in Colorado, which also has the form "By doggies!" in Tennessee and Kentucky? And the sense drift from "Oh God!" to an interjection about something impressive or special makes more sense than anything which could possibly have happened with "dogie." (Compare "Well, I'll be darned," in which a reference to damnation is being used about something which impresses the speaker.)

Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com

I believe Brooklyn is the 4th biggest city in the country. (Although it may have been passed by now by some others in the last 25 years.)

No, Brooklyn is still the 4th Largest City in America, still way ahead of Houston.

If you get your fur coat from China, you can really put on the dog.

OED2 had, in definition 17.p. under the entry for the noun "dog," "to puton dog." It was defined as "to ... it (from the post-Civil War custom of ladies having as pets lap dogs), although he seems pretty skeptical about it.

I share his skepticism. Folk etymology snarling from the lap of ignorance. I too have heard it used mostly to mean dressing up. One possible link between the dressed-up dog and the pretentious breakfast-eating dog is the general tendency (only my observation here) to use the phrase playfully or ironically. Maybe it was originally a slighting usage. CDB

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Let me reiterate that I don't question the source of ... dialog to verify how they spoke in King Arthur's Court.

I can't agree with you, Tony. We know the writers got at least some things right ("victuals"/"vittles" for food and "possum" for "opossum," for example).

It's a pretty big leap from "vittles" and "possum" to accepting Scots-Whatever influence on phrases.

While researching the matter at the University of Minnesota, I came across the title of a book which may address ... for a while.) May I point out that you have no proof that "dogies" was ever used in an interjection

Didn't I clearly state in an earlier post that I was making a conjecture? Didn't I indicate throughout the posting run that I was expressing opinion? Neither conjecture nor opinion requires proof. If proof was available, it wouldn't be conjecture or opinion.

besides my cite from the Dictionary of American Regional English for "By dogies!" used in Colorado, which also has the ... (Compare "Well, I'll be darned," in which a reference to damnation is being used about something which impresses the speaker.)

It's a good theory, and I don't dispute it. I don't buy it 100%, though, so I'll hold out "doggies/dogies" as a reasonable alternative.

Tony Cooper filted:

In alt.english.usage , we have been discussing the possible origin ... dialect as that which had occurred in Scots with "dagone."

His lines were written by a crew of writers. We don't really know if any of them were even in ... been written by someone from Brooklyn (Bigger than Bugtussle but still not a city) New York for all we know.

I don't know that "The Beverly Hillbillies" ever specified where the Clampett's home was, other than "back in the hills"...nor do I remember seeing the place name on a sign or in other written form...so it may have been one of these (from GNIS):
3 feature records have been selected from GNIS.Feature Name St County Equivalent Name USGS 7.5' Map Bug Tussle OK Pittsburg 350151N 0954123W Crowder Bug Tussle TX Fannin 332901N 0955636W Ladonia Bug Tussle (historical) TX Fannin UNKNOWN UNKNOWN Unknown

Somewhere around here I have similar data for Hooterville, Pixley, and Crabwell Corners, supposed to be near Bug Tussle...I think I decided they actually had to be in central California..r

In 1898, upon being consolidated into Greater New York and becoming a borough of it, did Brooklyn retain its city status? I don't know.

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/7589/history.htm
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I believe Brooklyn is the 4th biggest city in the ... by now by some others in the last 25 years.)

In 1898, upon being consolidated into Greater New York and becoming a borough of it, did Brooklyn retain its city status? I don't know. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/7589/history.htm

I believe that was a reference to Areff's personal Burma / Myanmar.

SML
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In 1898, upon being consolidated into Greater New York and becoming a borough of it, did Brooklyn retain its city status? I don't know.

It is not acceptable to invoke the Rape of Brooklyn as a reason to deny Brooklyn its status of a city. Anschluss be damned.

BTW, the borough that voted most strongly in favor of consolidation (Richmond County / Staten Island) is the one which perennially tries to get their seccession on the ballot.

Tony Cooper filted:

His lines were written by a crew of writers. We ... still not a city) New York for all we know.

I don't know that "The Beverly Hillbillies" ever specified where theClampett's home was, other than "back in the hills"...nor do ... Hooterville, Pixley, andCrabwell Corners, supposed to be near Bug Tussle...I think I decided they actuallyhad to be in central California..r

From the trivia page for the program The Beverly Hillbillies in the Internet Movie Database:
From
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055662/trivia
"The name of the Clampetts' hometown was Bugtussle, Tennessee."

Not that "Bugtussle" is spelled as one word. The author of the Web page at

http://www.jerryosborne.com/3-23-98.htm
is making an argument for Bugtussle (spelling it "Bug Tussle), Kentucky, it would seem, but www.placesnamed.com and Yahoo! Maps both show Bugtussle, Tennessee and Bugtussle, Kentucky to be located in the same place: Twin cities, it would seem.
That article also has an argument for the Clampetts coming from Missouri. None of this, or even the movie's placing them in Arkansas, would work against my idea that "Well, doggies!" was the product of Scots-Irish immigrants.

Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com