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Hello

Please, tell me what is wrong, if there is anything wrong Emotion: smile, with what I am going to write here:

They should be waiting for us when we have got there.

In the sub clause, the verb has past tense (get -got), and perfective aspect, which denotes the completition of the action (or event?)

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They should be waiting for us when we get there.

Here, in the sub, the verb is in present tense and has no aspect, therefore does not denote completiton.

The completition can be inferred reading the whole sentence.

When the two sentences are compared, I dare say the in the former sentence there is more emphasis laid on the completition.

In the second, however, nothing denotes the completition due to the lack of aspect.

It is only inferable, and not explicitly expressed that the action is completed.

Deciding which sentence to choose only comes down to the style of the writer.

Thanks
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Hi,

They should be waiting for us when we have got there.

They should be waiting for us when we get there.

#1 sounds unnatural. We get there at 7pm. A moment later, you can say 'we have arrived', meaning 'we are in a state of having arrived'. This state goes on for a long time. Do you mean that they should be waiting for us at any time while we are in this state? eg at 8pm? At 9pm? I doubt that you mean this.

#2 sounds 'normal'. It refers to the point in time when we arrive, eg the moment when we get off the plane. We get there at 7pm. They should be waiting for us at 7pm.

Best wishes, Clive
Why would they begin waiting for you after you arrive?

They should be waiting for us when we have got there.

Surely they would begin waiting for you before you arrive:

They should be waiting for us when we get there.

Think about it.
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What do you see as the problem here?

?*When we've arrived, they will be waiting for us.

When we arrive, they will be waiting for us?
Thanks Milky and Clive

should be waiting in the sentence denotes the modal aspect of probability, and not obligation.

The circuimlocution of the situation described by sentence 1 is:

They should (I think so) be (already) waiting for us by the time we have arrived.

I am not sure I see where sentence 1 is bleeding from.
<should be waiting in the sentence denotes the modal aspect of probability, and not obligation>

Who said it was obligation?

<I am not sure I see where sentence 1 is bleeding from.>

It's gushing blood because it is trying to say that after you have completed your action (arrived), they will be/will begin doing their action (waiting), which doesn't make much sense.
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They should be waiting when/at the moment we arrive.

YOU:

>>>>traveling>>>>traveling>>>>>traveling>>>arrive<

THEM:

>>>???>>>???>>>>>???>>>>waiting>>>>>>waiting><

........

They should be waiting when we've arrived (= after the moment of arrival)

YOU:

>>>>traveling>>>>traveling>>>>>traveling>>>arrive>arrived<

THEM:

>>>???>>>???>>>>>???>>>>???>>>>>>>>??????>>>>>>>begin waiting
Hello Milky

IS it necessarily so that the perfective aspect of verb in the sub clause indicates the starting point of the action denoted by: waiting?

This is really news to me.

I have never ever looked at it this way.

When we have arrived = point in time

They should be waiting at that point in time. What they did before or will do later nobody knows.

I am not arguing here; I just want to be convinced of the truth Emotion: smile
Hello Clive

"We get there at 7pm. A moment later, you can say 'we have arrived', meaning 'we are in a state of having arrived'. YES

This state goes on for a long time.OK Do you mean that they should be waiting for us at any time while we are in this state? eg at 8pm? At 9pm? I doubt that you mean this."

They should be waiting for us when(=at the moment that the arrival is 'completed') we have got there

They should be waiting for us = the action of waiting is in progress at the time denoted by when.

I think they will be waiting at the very first moment when it is true that they are here.
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