Hello, I have couple sentences I'm not sure.

"I suddenly remembered that I hadn't eaten anything since morning" or "I suddenly remembered that I haven't eaten anything since morning" So, what's right? I think we can use present perfect after the past simple. Or we can't?

Thanks
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fattyshankHello, I have couple of sentences I'm not sure about.

"I suddenly remembered that I haven't eaten anything since morning." [Y] describes a current situation

After eating whatever you are this morning, you didn't eat anything else today.

"I suddenly remembered that I hadn't eaten anything since morning." [Y] talking about a past situation

For example, maybe a day or more ago you felt weak and shaky and in the late afternoon and you had been wondering why you had that bad feeling that day. Now you know the reason.

So, what's right? I think we can use present perfect after the past simple. Yes, you can.
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In this particular case the past perfect is best, because you're talking about what had already taken place at that time in the past when you suddenly remembered.

Your act of remembering was at a particular point in the past. The thing that you remembered was a situation prior to that time.

Edit. I agree with Canadian that the present perfect is possible. We don't know how long ago the person "remembered," but we can assume that his choice of present perfect is intended to indicate that the situation still exists.

The "very recent past" rule seems to be waived quite frequently.

But, you have to admit that what he suddenly remembered in the past was not that he still hasn't eaten anything since morning.

"I justremembered etc." is a bit easier to swallow. (for me) Emotion: surprise

If it's a live casual conversation, the timing would not be an issue. It would be clear that he remembered just before speaking.
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In both sentences, the "suddenly remembered" part of course is in the past. We don't know how recent or remote in the past, but it doesn't matter because the remembering can continue.

In the "haven't eaten" sentence, the not eating continues, while in the "hadn't eaten" sentence the not eating was in the past; it no longer continues.

Avangi wrote: But, you have to admit that what he suddenly remembered in the past was not that he still hasn't eaten anything since morning.

In the "haven't eaten" sentence, he still hasn't eaten anything since morning.
Thank you both!

Avangi, can I ask you off topic question? Why in your sentence "If it's a live casual conversation, the timing would not be an issue" did you use "if it's" and "would"? Will the meaning change if we say so:"If it was a live casual conversation, the timing would not be an issue"? Thanks againEmotion: smile
Avangi, can I ask you off topic question? Why in your sentence "If it's a live casual conversation, the timing would not be an issue" did you use "if it's" and "would"? Will the meaning change if we say so: "If it was a live casual conversation, the timing would not be an issue"? Thanks againThank you both! Avangi, can I ask you off topic question? Why in your sentence "If it's a live casual conversation, the timing would not be an issue" did you use "if it's" and "would"? Will the meaning change if we say so: "If it was a live casual conversation, the timing would not be an issue"? Thanks again
I think your sentence's correct. But what Avangi said is quiet commonly-heard in daily conversations which

everybody woudn't seem to get confused.
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okay, but I'd like to see Avangi's answerEmotion: smile
fattyshankI suddenly remembered that I haven't eaten anything since morning
This makes no sense to me. Considering the meaning of "remember", you can't remember the future, so you couldn't have remembered in the past that something continued up to the present, because at the time of the remembering the present moment was a future time.

..................Morning[ haven't eaten - - - - - - ]Now.................

..............................[remembered]...................Now.................

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If you can shorten the gap to almost nothing, it might work. "remembered" in that case almost means "remember".

..................Morning[ haven't eaten - - - - - - ]Now.................

...............................................[remembered].Now.................

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gap

CJ
Thank you, CJ. But what about Canadian45's answer and sentence that I found: "I just remembered I have homework"? I'm completely tangled up. Hence the main question: Can we use present simple in sentences that we started with the past time like "I remembered"? Or we should use the past all along?

I'm really sorry for my incomprehensionEmotion: crying
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