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Dear teachers,

As far as I know, until now/today often go with Present perfect or past perfect, but here it's past continuous. Could you possibly help clarify the meaning of past continuous used with until now here?

She said, " Until today, I was enjoying school in spite of the work"

She said, " Until now, everything was going so well."

Is there any difference beyween" Until today, I have been enjoying school in spite of the work " and " Until today, I was enjoying school in spite of the work"?

Thank you in advance
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Yes, the whole sentence taken from Oxford Dictionary is" Until now I have always lived here alone"
And the meaning given in that dictionary was to expres that it's always been true and it continues to be true?

I wouldn't use it tha way. Like Bokeh, I see a conflict. The "until now" indicates that something has changed.

In fact, if I read "Until now, I have..." I honestly wouldn't know if something had changed and now you don't do whatever it was, or if it's still the case, as you expect with the use of present perfect.
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No, it means in the past she lived alone and at the moment she is still living alone.Nobody knows what happens in the future. Maybe she will stop living alone, maybe she will continue living alone
Hmm, this is confusing.

- Until now, everything was perfect! = Until just now, everything was perfect! (Until now = Until just now - Something has changed)
- Until now, I haven't had any problems with that. = I haven't had any problems with that so far.
(Until now = So far - Nothing has changed, but it might well change in the future)

- Damn it! Until now, I haven't had any problems with this application, but now I feel it might be stuck. **Punching keyboard** Gosh, I need to restart it... I don't understand... Until now, I hadn't had any problems with this program. (Two usages: #1 Until now = so far, but you feel something has just changed or is going to change // #2 Until now = Until just now)

That's the way I would use those structures. Are they ok? I think that whether something has changed or not depends on whether you interpret "now" as "just now" or not and on the verbal tense you use. In Tuongvan's examples, something has changed and isn't the way it used to be anymore.
what do you think?
Kooyeen. In Tuongvan's examples, something has changed and isn't the way it used to be anymore.
what do you think?
Not all of them. Some are ambiguous and the Oxford is clearly the other way.
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Kooyeen. In Tuongvan's examples, something has changed and isn't the way it used to be anymore.
what do you think?
Not all of them. Some are ambiguous and the Oxford is clearly the other way.

Oops, yes, not all of them. I only considered the first two. The one picked from the Oxford was:

Until now, I have always lived here alone.

That means nothing has changed in the past, but might change in the future (or a change could even be expected or planned). That's the way I take those kinds of sentences, but as you might have noticed, the context might play a big role in determining the exact meaning of those structures. Emotion: smile
We're in agreement. We suffer deeply in these matters from our damnable bugaboo of lacking context. Everything is unrealistic. Everyone tends to lock in on the most general possible meaning. It's really very limiting.
Hi,

Now I understand it already! In summary,Until now + Simple Past(continuos)/Past perfect(continuous) is used when "until now" means "until just now"

Until now, I (had) considered him my close friend(Now he is not considered to be my close friend)

And Until now+present perfect /prsent simple is used when "until now means " so far"

Until now, I have been able to buy online (I still can buy online now)

Until now, I have considered him my close friend ( now I still consider him my close friend)
Until now, everything is going well

Am I right when summarizing so?
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MonalisatuanAm I right when summarizing so?
I would say so, but I think I need to point out a couple of things:

1) Until now, everything is going well <-- I don't like this one. I don't think I am likely to use the simple present with "until now".

2) Until now, I have been able to buy online (I still can buy online now) - Until now, I have considered him my close friend ( now I still consider him my close friend)<--- Yes, but whenever you need to point out how things has been so far, I feel there's always a possible change ahead. In other words, if you say that until now you've been able to buy online, you are also implying that the situation might change in the future, probably soon. It's not a completely neutral sentence. In the same way, if you say that until now you've considered a person your best friend, you are also implying that you are starting to have doubts about it. It's not as neutral as saying "We've been best friends for a long time". Until now... that's what things have been like, but from now on... who knows? That's what "so far" implies too though, so I guess you can think of "until now = so far".

Warning: that's my opinion as a non-native speaker. You had better wait for a native speaker to hear some more reliable comments. Emotion: smile
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