Good day to you all .

I don't have a complete version of the Bible , for all I have is some verses that I collected from many books and references . But one thing makes me wonder , what're the Biblical verses that advise nuns to wear modest clothes , like the veils women wear in the Kingdom , with some differences .

I've read that , in the past , women in Europe would cover their faces because they were regarded as inferior to men and this is , as you might already know , different from the conviction of Muslims or any other religious group . Then , I understood why people of the West would be against the headscarf like the dispute that took place in France , you see, people are not to blame when it comes to their deep-rooted believes . When you believe in something and when you come across something totally different from what you're used to , then , naturally , you would reject it .Anyhow , this is what I feel .

Can you give me some examples , just depend on your memory , I mean , you may give me examples from the Bible chapters you memorized . I'd like to find out about the status of women in the Bible , especially the nuns .

Thank you very much in advance .Emotion: smile
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Hi Sweet Desert.

Actually, I couldnt achieve to read to all Bible, yet. (though I hope I will) But,I have found some verses comprise the approach of Bible to woman.----> Link

and this is a useful source consist the passages decribing woman in Old Testament: ------> Link

Good day Sweet Desert
The Sweet DesertI've read that , in the past , women in Europe would cover their faces because they were regarded as inferior to men
could you specify in which part of Europe and which century did that happen? if not, where did you read that, could you give us the reference?

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hello there!

God bless you!

sorry for my poor english, but i have to tell you this.

i read about your writing here and found it interesting.

my answear is in 1 Corinthians 11. if u read it below, you may understand why women are inferior to men.

  1. Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
  2. I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings, just as I passed them on to you.
  3. Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
  4. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head.
  5. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head--it is just as though her head were shaved.

    1. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.
    2. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man.
    3. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man;
    4. neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.
    5. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head.

    6. what do you think about it now?

      i want to hear your oppinion. would you?


      with regards
Well, I disagree with every syllable; but then I'm not a very religious person.


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Hi Sweet Desert

I like your user name. I had to look it up to see if it was what you eat at the end of a meal or the "barren land" as I can never remember which is which. I digress...

There are absolutely no references to "nuns" in the bible, including the new testament. In the 76 books that make up the "Testaments" (different versions may have more or less, and of course the Jewish faith does not have the New Testament), only two have a women's name as a title: Ruth and Esther. These are found in the Old Testament, which means they are of the Jewish faith (and this has been intergrated in the christian faiths). No nuns in Judaism. Having been exposed to the christian faith, I have only a vague notion of other religions, practices, or beliefs. Your question(s) do refer to the bible.

It is, I would want to say, a-b-s-o-l-u-t-e-l-y impossible to have a complete awareness of, mmm, History. All that has transpired throughout the years to influence, change what occured, and what was retained of that, how it was explained, described; and how it is told x number of years later. "Nuns" would have started sometime in the 4th century after Constantinople made a "political" decision to convert to catholicism. Nuns did not exist, ever, before that. I have no idea how nuns came about to wearing "veils", whatever form they have, and still do someplaces, take. I can say that following Vatican II (1962-1965), nuns started to "unveil" and "dress normal" here in Canada.

I would suggest that the veil, and the uniform since some congregations had an attire that was black and covered the whole body, some covered the face as well and only permitted the wearer the possibility of seeing the floor, were for notions of humility and piety. You see this with Franciscans (way back, not so far when!) where the hands are drawn inside the sleeves, the head is bent forward and the hood falls over the face, which you cannot see. Further "veiling", if you will, was being "cloistered". You never get to see the outside world, or they, you... and they remain fully covered within the cloister. Part of it, too, would be to hide your "sex appeal" and discourage "attraction". The "cloistered" would want to limit all stimuli so as to devote their every moment to communing with God.

Life in this country Canada has changed considerably in very recent years. I struggle with my identity in this land that forces me to review my living, and very recent history. I am in a country that was never what it is now till I was past 30 years old. I believe strongly in freedom even if I know that my awareness of what "freedom" is is limited.

9-11 has become a reference point, in my social consciousness, that justifies establishing a limit on a "dress code". I respect your (whoever) personnal beliefs, but if they compromise our common sense of security, in any way, then, I would vote for an acceptable "public" dress code which would set limits on how you dress when outside your personnal environement. Security then compromises freedom. And "religious practices" would be quartered to a more personal environement.
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Ehm...I know it's a bit out of topic..but I believe in Darwin's thesis. [Y]

PS..and as I can see all the ribs that I have are mine.. Emotion: smile
I found this page that talks about various women mentioned in the Biasble. Many of the important early Christian leaders were women, but you wouldn't know that unless you read the letters from Paul and the other apostles carefully. There are many mentions of the early leaders, but they are not the often-quoted passages.

Esther's story is an interesting one and the basis of Purim, a Jewish festival.

And Mary Magdelene has certainly been maligned, thanks to - I think it was Pope Gregory the something.
NylaEhm...I know it's a bit out of topic..but I believe in Darwin's thesis. [Y]

PS..and as I can see all the ribs that I have are mine.. Emotion: smile

Though science has its good points, without belief in a higher power (meaning God), it is empty.
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