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"With his death still under investigation, a source close to Carradine told Tarts that the actor had been struggling with financial concerns (but did not think the 72-year-old actor would have ever even considered taking his own life.)"

This sentence is an exerpt from a news abou David Carradine's death".

See the part in backet. "did not think" happens at time point 3. "would have consider" happens at time1, right? why is perfect tense used?

thanks,

Ench

Time1---Time2(suicide)Time3-now(when this article is being writen).
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Jim/Philip:
You two are giving me two opposed opinions:
Jim's is that "think" first happens, then would have conisder happens later.
while philip's is that "consider" happens before "think"
I am confused.

Are you two with the same opnion and it is me who doesnt understand this correctly.

or one of you misunderstood my question?

thank,

Ench
EnchantedJim's is that "think" first happens, then would have conisder happens later.
"think" is the part that gives an opinion. The opinion is about the possibilities of what may have happened earlier. Look at the chart I drew for you. The farther to the left something is on the chart, the earlier in time it occurred. I have placed "would have considered" to the left of "source didn't think ...", so by that I intended to show that "would have considered" is a hypothetical action that would have happened before the source thought something.

I did not intend you to get the impression that "think" happens and then "consider". So I agree with the order of events as you set them up in your first post -- only I added more events implied by the text you gave.

CJ
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Jim:
thanks again. If you want to say the same thing, but "think" happens before "consider" and both before his suicide. Something like, you were asked by third person first, that whether he was going to commit suicide. and you said "no, i don't think he would"

And later, how do you say about this:
"at the time, I did think he would consider taking his own life" because the considering part is a thing that will happen in the future.
Is my sentence correct?

by the way, is hypothetical actioin a different thing from subjunctive mood?

thanks,

Ench
Thanks, Jim:
for some reason, didn't see this post of yours. it is really helpful.
Ench.
Enchanted"at the time, I did think he would consider taking his own life" because the considering part is a thing that will happen in the future.
Is my sentence correct?
Yes. The hypothesis is that the considering part would occur later than the time when the opinion was given with the words "I think".
Enchanted is hypothetical actioin a different thing from subjunctive mood?
Yes. Hypotheticals are expressed through if statements and other statements that are nearly synonymous with if statements.

Hypothesis: If Larry jumps high enough, he will be able to touch the ceiling.
Nothing in this statement claims that Larry jumped, is jumping, or is going to jump.
The whole idea takes place in the imagination. Yet (as with all if clauses in the present tense) there is no subjunctive here. The indicative form jumps is used, not the subjunctive form jump.

CJ
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Hi. Enchanted introduced this to ask some questions in her starting post:

"With his death still under investigation, a source close to Carradine told Tarts that the actor had been struggling with financial concerns (but did not think the 72-year-old actor would have ever even considered taking his own life.)"

I think (if I am not mistaken) what you said was something very roughly (I am not all certain the paraphrase of mine reflect any points you made but writing based on a very faint memory - not at all reliable, I might add) like the verb "would have ever even considered" is used to indicate this possibility (?) of considering having occurred before the source's (who is close to Carradine) thinking, which seems to be in the past.

I think the verb "would have ever even considered" could be used to take back the situation from the present like "but does not currently think the 72-year-old actor would have ever even considered taking his own life."