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This topic was inspired by the question asked in the forums about subject/object pronouns.
A friend of mine she's American once told me that 'you and me' was a common mistake native speakers made at school; and her English teacher always said 'you and me' was wrong, the correct one was 'you and I'. She said that was why most native speakers consider 'you and me' is sooo wrong, while we can still easily find phrases like 'for you and I', which is of course incorrect grammatically but still considered more correct than 'you and me'. What do you guys think about this? Grammatical rules apart, would you say 'you and me' is totally wrong while 'you and I' is wrong but still OK?
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Hitchhiker, I have to disagree with you on this one! "That's a matter for Mike and I" is NOT correct. "That's a matter for Mike and me" and "...for me and Mike" are both correct, although I think it's considered more "polite" to mention the other person before oneself.

"Between you and I" is incorrect, and, to me, also "sounds" incorrect.

To the original poster, I would say that misusing "you and I" sounds just as bad to me as misusing "you and me." You can usually tell which is correct be removing "you" from the sentence and trying it with just "I" or "me." I agree that some people incorrectly use "you and I" because they don't want to make the mistake of incorrectly using "you and me," but in my opinion there is no reason to prefer one mistake over the other.
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"you and me" sounds more romantic.
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between you and me... is that correct?
Emotion: wink Of course it is, Maj. What I meant by 'you and me' being used incorrectly is something like 'Mike and me are going bowling this evening'.
Orpheus, I really couldn't imagine ever saying that and thinking I was correct (under any circumstance); it sounds awful!! I used to make the mistake when I was younger, and I always remember being immediately corrected by my teachers.
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hitch, between you and me, me is used after a preposition. It is not the subject, when it is not the subject of the sentence you can use me and don't take it literally, please.
Hi Hitch,
don't think I really get what you mean. Are you referring to 'Mike and me are going bowling' or to using 'you and me' in general?
There's no doubt that 'Mike and me' is wrong. What I was saying is do you think that using 'for you and I', instead of 'for you and me', is as just incorrect as 'Mike and me are going bowling'??
What I mean by 'for you and I' is something like 'That's a matter for Mike and I' & 'Between you and I, I think his marriage is in trouble.'

Now, would you say that those two examples sound as awful as 'Mike and me are going bowling' or they are incorrect but still OK?
Maj - Lol!

Orhpeus - I'm confused:

"Between you and me" is a common phrase.

"That's a matter for Mike and I" - I'd never use that but i think it IS correct; I'd say "That's a matter for me and Mike" -- but it's probably wrong -- but never "mike and me" -- that's too much!!

'Between you and I, I think his marriage is in trouble.' - "Sounds" totally correct.

This is a tough one Orpheus!Emotion: smile
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see, this is what I mean. In terms of grammar, that's a matter for Mike and I is incorrect, but most native speakers consider it's OK. Whereas Mike and me are going bowling is also incorrect, but considered totally wrong, as you said, it sounds awful.
It seems that native speakers are more 'tolerant' towards I used as a object pronoun than me used as a subject pronoun.
My point is 'is it true that native speakers are more tolerant of using forms like you and I as objects because they've been corrected at school for using you and me as a subject, and consequently have a vague sense that you and me is always wrong'??!
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